pacino wrote:Rick Perry saw his rise and fall

Monkeyboy wrote:You can announce a running mate before the convention - see reagan from earlier in the thread.

pacino wrote:FWIW, there was a debate outside the official GOP circuit in New Hampshire that had little to no problem hosting all who managed to come (14 of them).
what a joke this entire thing is

pacino wrote:it would appear the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll was the 5th most recent...they DIDN'T go by their own rules. They used a Quinnipiac, which was 6. This means Rick Perry was out and Kasich was in; Perry and Kasich would've statistically tied if they actually went by their own rules. FWIW, the debate is held in Ohio, where Kasich is governor. He also was formerly employed by them.

They've ended Perry's political career. Sure, he would've probably done it on his own in the debates, but now he doesn't have a chance.
LOL. Why have the criteria if you don't follow it? They retroactively disqualified the NBC/WSJ poll due to the order/title in which the poll asked respondents the options.

pacino wrote:i doubt she'd run with Biden. they have different philosophies in regards to finance

TenuredVulture wrote:I've figured it out--Donald Trump is a performance artist. It's the only possible explanation, other than that he's totally in the bag for Hillary.

jerseyhoya wrote:

pacino wrote:FWIW, there was a debate outside the official GOP circuit in New Hampshire that had little to no problem hosting all who managed to come (14 of them).
what a joke this entire thing is

It wasn't a debate, it was a forum. Each candidate was on stage alone. There was no back and forth. 10 is probably too many for a debate. 14 or 17 would be total nonsense.

pacino wrote:it would appear the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll was the 5th most recent...they DIDN'T go by their own rules. They used a Quinnipiac, which was 6. This means Rick Perry was out and Kasich was in; Perry and Kasich would've statistically tied if they actually went by their own rules. FWIW, the debate is held in Ohio, where Kasich is governor. He also was formerly employed by them.

They've ended Perry's political career. Sure, he would've probably done it on his own in the debates, but now he doesn't have a chance.
LOL. Why have the criteria if you don't follow it? They retroactively disqualified the NBC/WSJ poll due to the order/title in which the poll asked respondents the options.

They did go by their own rules. The NBC/WSJ poll did not list the candidates when asking the vote question, the other five did. Even if they had included the NBC/WSJ poll, the participants would have been the same. The RCP average, which just has the last five, has Kasich at 2.8% and Perry at 2.0%.

They haven't ended Perry's political career both because their choice of polls to include did not eliminate him and because I'm not sure it's a big deal to miss out on this debate. Not being in this debate doesn't prevent him from being in future ones. If he does well in the earlier debate, he'll get positive media coverage out of it that will help his campaign out. There will also be plenty of people who watch the undercard, and a much higher percentage of them will actually be GOP primary voters. There'll be a ton more people watching the nightcap, but Rick Perry doesn't need to impress the average liberal BSGer tuning in for the Trump lolz.

10 is probably too many for a debate. 14 or 17 would be total nonsense.

pacino wrote:maybe lots of people like Bush, but I've yet to meet one. i'm sure jh knows more about his appeal. his appeal seems to be what nightman says, MONEY. He can throw money from helicopters and blanket everyone with it. What a country.

I've said I think Walker wins.

pacino wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

pacino wrote:FWIW, there was a debate outside the official GOP circuit in New Hampshire that had little to no problem hosting all who managed to come (14 of them).
what a joke this entire thing is

It wasn't a debate, it was a forum. Each candidate was on stage alone. There was no back and forth. 10 is probably too many for a debate. 14 or 17 would be total nonsense.

pacino wrote:it would appear the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll was the 5th most recent...they DIDN'T go by their own rules. They used a Quinnipiac, which was 6. This means Rick Perry was out and Kasich was in; Perry and Kasich would've statistically tied if they actually went by their own rules. FWIW, the debate is held in Ohio, where Kasich is governor. He also was formerly employed by them.

They've ended Perry's political career. Sure, he would've probably done it on his own in the debates, but now he doesn't have a chance.
LOL. Why have the criteria if you don't follow it? They retroactively disqualified the NBC/WSJ poll due to the order/title in which the poll asked respondents the options.

They did go by their own rules. The NBC/WSJ poll did not list the candidates when asking the vote question, the other five did. Even if they had included the NBC/WSJ poll, the participants would have been the same. The RCP average, which just has the last five, has Kasich at 2.8% and Perry at 2.0%.

They haven't ended Perry's political career both because their choice of polls to include did not eliminate him and because I'm not sure it's a big deal to miss out on this debate. Not being in this debate doesn't prevent him from being in future ones. If he does well in the earlier debate, he'll get positive media coverage out of it that will help his campaign out. There will also be plenty of people who watch the undercard, and a much higher percentage of them will actually be GOP primary voters. There'll be a ton more people watching the nightcap, but Rick Perry doesn't need to impress the average liberal BSGer tuning in for the Trump lolz.

there is no world where there will be more liberals watching that debate than conservatives and no world where more conservatives watch the first one in comparison to the second one

this won't be a 'real' debate either; none of them will be. that's just what we call them, though.

those numbers are within every margin of error; there is no reason to have Kasich in and Perry out except they decided to.

10 is probably too many for a debate. 14 or 17 would be total nonsense.

the total nonsense part is the amount of people running for president, period. if everyone is worthy, no one is. but if these people are all running and are all fairly close to one another, there's no reason to leave some of them out of these early debates.

pacino wrote:there is no world where there will be more liberals watching that debate than conservatives and no world where more conservatives watch the first one in comparison to the second one

pacino wrote:this won't be a 'real' debate either; none of them will be. that's just what we call them, though.

pacino wrote:those numbers are within every margin of error; there is no reason to have Kasich in and Perry out except they decided to.

pacino wrote:

10 is probably too many for a debate. 14 or 17 would be total nonsense.

the total nonsense part is the amount of people running for president, period. if everyone is worthy, no one is. but if these people are all running and are all fairly close to one another, there's no reason to leave some of them out of these early debates.

“Liberty University was kind enough to invite me to address a convocation and I decided to accept,” Mr. Sanders said in a statement his spokesman provided. “It goes without saying that my views on many issues — women’s rights, gay rights, education and many other issues — are very different from the opinions of some in the Liberty University community. I think it is important, however, to see if we can reach consensus regarding the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality in our country, about the collapse of the middle class, about the high level of childhood poverty, about climate change and other issues.”

He added: “It is very easy for a candidate to speak to people who hold the same views. It’s harder but important to reach out to others who look at the world differently. I look forward to meeting with the students and faculty of Liberty University.”