"Let them eat gay cake" (Politics thread)

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu May 07, 2015 10:48:18

Also, one of the interesting consequences of the European Union combined with the collapse of the Soviet Union is the assertion of nationalist aspirations for regions long subsumed under nation states. This is playing out in Great Britain's election, if I understand it correctly--the SNP is pro-EU at the same time as it favors greater autonomy or even independence for Scotland. There is a sense in which someone can retain both a regional identity along with a European one (say if you live in Piedmont or Castille not to mention Scotland or Basque Country) more easily than you can maintain a regional identity with a nation state identity.

by **traderdave** » Thu May 07, 2015 10:53:07

jerseyhoya wrote:Happy Election Day in the UK. Polls open in 10 minutes.

Labour and the Conservatives are neck and neck in the polls. If things follow the polls, Ed Miliband, who is hard to find a comparison for in American politician world in both awkwardness and ideology, will be prime minister. The SNP are in line to win at least 50 seats, and they are very much opposed to another Conservative government. If Labour and the Conservatives end up in the same neighborhood in seats, it's basically impossible for Cameron to get another term as PM. Miliband is not a natural politician and is pretty left leaning, but the economic recovery has been slow and uneven over there so Cameron is in a lot of trouble (tho the economy is not as bad as in other parts of Europe). If Labour's leader was more likable, this would probably be a rout. Cameron faces a lot of pressure on his right flank on Europe issues, and UKIP is sucking up 12ish percent of the vote, which makes things really tough for the Tories in the swing seats.

There's a decent reason to anticipate the polls being wrong, as almost every time there's an election in the UK Labour is overestimated and the Conservatives are underestimated. If Cameron can win by more than a couple percent in the national vote, his seat total might get to the point where he can put together another coalition with the Lib Dems or roll the dice on some minority government. The odds of who will be next PM is straight up tied in the betting markets, which is crazy to me looking at the polls. Seems like Labour is comfortably in the driver's seat, but I guess people have been burned before counting out the Tories based on polls. You'd think that's something that could be adjusted for, but we'll see.

Not sure why but I found it incredibly interesting that Bernie Sanders' brother - Larry - is running for Parliament in this election. Larry has lived in Oxford since 1969 and currently serves on a county council. My understanding is that he has no shot.

by **drsmooth** » Thu May 07, 2015 12:31:47

I vote yea:

by **Werthless** » Thu May 07, 2015 15:01:03

traderdave wrote:Not sure why but I found it incredibly interesting that Bernie Sanders' brother - Larry - is running for Parliament in this election. Larry has lived in Oxford since 1969 and currently serves on a county council. My understanding is that he has no shot.

Something he has in common with his brother!

(This is coming from a 2004 Ron Paul supporter)

by **traderdave** » Thu May 07, 2015 15:04:05

Werthless wrote:
traderdave wrote:Not sure why but I found it incredibly interesting that Bernie Sanders' brother - Larry - is running for Parliament in this election. Larry has lived in Oxford since 1969 and currently serves on a county council. My understanding is that he has no shot.

Something he has in common with his brother!

by **Bucky** » Thu May 07, 2015 15:04:28

In January 2007, Wethless wrote:Barack WHO??

by **Soren** » Thu May 07, 2015 15:16:01

No but really Sanders probably has no shot. People will see this on TV:

and won't get past the optics

by **Woody** » Thu May 07, 2015 15:32:59

It's gonna be Jeb Bush isn't it

by **traderdave** » Thu May 07, 2015 15:50:59

Soren wrote:No but really Sanders probably has no shot. People will see this on TV:

and won't get past the optics

"Do you want THIS guy answering the 3 a.m. phone call?"

by **pacino** » Thu May 07, 2015 15:51:49

libertarians(TM) will like his gun views

by **slugsrbad** » Thu May 07, 2015 15:53:07

traderdave wrote:
Soren wrote:No but really Sanders probably has no shot. People will see this on TV:

and won't get past the optics

"Do you want THIS guy answering the 3 a.m. phone call?"

Lines up perfectly with his 2nd bathroom break.

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu May 07, 2015 16:31:37

Listened to a couple Brits and an Irishman talk about the election this morning. Consensus was that Cameron would retain his leadership.

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu May 07, 2015 17:08:41

Exit polls great for the Tories. Either this or the real polls were really wrong.

by **SK790** » Thu May 07, 2015 17:12:40

Soren wrote:No but really Sanders probably has no shot. People will see this on TV:

and won't get past the optics

Him ranting about income equality with that snarl is going to be epic.

by **Werthless** » Thu May 07, 2015 17:28:37

slugsrbad wrote:
traderdave wrote:
Soren wrote:No but really Sanders probably has no shot. People will see this on TV:

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and won't get past the optics

"Do you want THIS guy answering the 3 a.m. phone call?"

Lines up perfectly with his 2nd bathroom break.

I LOLed.

by **Werthless** » Thu May 07, 2015 17:29:48

Bucky wrote:
In January 2007, Wethless wrote:Barack WHO??

Oh no you didnt just compare Barack with Bernie.

Do you think the US is ready to elect someone who describes themselves as a socialist?

by **SK790** » Thu May 07, 2015 18:33:57

In fairness to Bucky most people, especially right - leaning, said Obama had no chance a year before. In fairness to you, Obama is different than an old dude who's been in politics for decades.

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu May 07, 2015 18:46:52

It wasn't just right leaning people.

by **traderdave** » Thu May 07, 2015 19:30:51

Werthless wrote:
Bucky wrote:
In January 2007, Wethless wrote:Barack WHO??

Oh no you didnt just compare Barack with Bernie. Do you think the US is ready to elect someone who describes themselves as a socialist?

Beats electing somebody who describes themselves as a Republican. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

by **SK790** » Thu May 07, 2015 19:51:05

TenuredVulture wrote:It wasn't just right leaning people.

Yeah, I said most people.

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