jerseyhoya wrote:I think it should be legal for a business owner to refuse to provide a service that conflicts with their personal beliefs (like baking a cake for a gay wedding) if they're so inclined.

jerseyhoya wrote:

pacino wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:What do you all think is the correct punishment for a baker who refuses to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

Are there (non-profane) cake requests a baker should be allowed to turn down due to their personal or religious beliefs?

To bake a #$!&@ cake like a civilized person.

You also ignored my question. Many people still believe in the inferiority of others due to their religious beliefs. Why stop at those who dislike gays?

People could try to excuse a multitude of reprehensible business practices under the law claiming they're following their beliefs, but I think they'd mostly find themselves unsuccessful at court if they did so. There are competing protections in place that also have fairly high standards to be met in the law. We have this law in place with our federal government, and it exists in many other states. It's not a get out of jail free card for being an unrelenting, law breaking asshat.

Saying they should bake the cake like a civilized person doesn't really answer what you think the punishment should be.

And are there (non-profane) cake requests a baker should be allowed to turn down due to their personal or religious beliefs?

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I think it should be legal for a business owner to refuse to provide a service that conflicts with their personal beliefs (like baking a cake for a gay wedding) if they're so inclined.

baking a cake is against the personal beliefs of a baker? Dafuq bidness of yours is what I DO with the goddamn cake, bakerman?

see, if you believe FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS, you can't be caught out in public believing any such a thing as you say you think/believe, because as long as the money is green, FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS .

see the problem?

TomatoPie wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I think it should be legal for a business owner to refuse to provide a service that conflicts with their personal beliefs (like baking a cake for a gay wedding) if they're so inclined.

baking a cake is against the personal beliefs of a baker? Dafuq bidness of yours is what I DO with the goddamn cake, bakerman?

see, if you believe FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS, you can't be caught out in public believing any such a thing as you say you think/believe, because as long as the money is green, FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS .

see the problem?

In a true free market, any private business could refuse any customer for any reason. And any employment application.

Not advocating for such, but, you know, if you believe FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS, you don't want the gummint telling private businesses who should be their stakeholders.

drsmooth wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I think it should be legal for a business owner to refuse to provide a service that conflicts with their personal beliefs (like baking a cake for a gay wedding) if they're so inclined.

baking a cake is against the personal beliefs of a baker? Dafuq bidness of yours is what I DO with the goddamn cake, bakerman?

see, if you believe FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS, you can't be caught out in public believing any such a thing as you say you think/believe, because as long as the money is green, FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS .

see the problem?

In a true free market, any private business could refuse any customer for any reason. And any employment application.

Not advocating for such, but, you know, if you believe FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS, you don't want the gummint telling private businesses who should be their stakeholders.

but see, that would put the lie to the idea that FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS is some kind of force of nature, because it would be immediately obvious to true FREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFREEMARKETSFRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMARKETS participants (see what I did there) that it is economically insane to turn customers with legal tender away from one's shoppe merely because one harbors any sort of chancrous bias against the legal tender holders - just as it would be insane not to hire capable workers because they're shes, or coloreds, or homos

but you know all of that is mostly bunkum because it turns out significant numbers of job-creating society savers actually prefer to act against their 'natural' free market economic interests, degraded as they are by their perverse insistence on injecting their cultural preversions into the thing.

Phan In Phlorida wrote:(It's because all gay wedding cakes are the shape of giant penises)

CalvinBall wrote:how did you feel about geno's refusing to serve to people who were of hispanic descent?

Houshphandzadeh wrote:do gay people have a hard time finding cakes?

TomatoPie wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:how did you feel about geno's refusing to serve to people who were of hispanic descent?

Despicable. But I don't need any new laws. The public shaming and loss of business is pretty useful.