Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Feb 10, 2015 15:38:54

pacino wrote:Some people aren't easily shamed, so im not sure we should simply rely on publicizing donations; rather, simply eliminate them.

Eliminate people? OK Hitler.

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Feb 10, 2015 19:03:47

jerseyhoya wrote:Big money can’t buy elections – influence is something else - Pretty interesting read from Jonathan Soros, who has been one of those big money Dem donors who has made campaign finance reform a priority in supporting candidates

I think he's mostly on the right track with a lot of this. The right concerns about the current system (lack of transparency, donor influence on priorities of government, perceived or actual limited efficacy of small dollar donors) rather than some of the more commonly aired complaints (money buys elections, Citizens United ruined everything/is the worst Supreme Court decision ever, etc.). He's also got the right concerns about the fixes, with most legislatively designed overhaul plans pre or post Citizens United (including McCain Feingold) amounting to incumbent protection legislation and the ability of money to find its way into the system regardless. I'm not sure how much the matching funds idea would help shape legislation, though it would help on the perceived efficacy front anyway.

Every reform has potential downsides. Increasing public funding for campaigns or subsidizing small dollar donors might exacerbate polarization. Transparency comes with the potential for backlashes that make people hesitant to engage in the political process. But these issues seem a lot smaller than the concerns I'd have about most other campaign finance proposals.


Interesting to read in this light of the examination of the same thing on a smaller scale in the Inquirer article on city campaign reform. Probably true that this as well needs some reform in the attribution area, but the whining that "Leaders of law firms, corporations, people who have traditionally been involved in civic affairs, they are being disqualified from participation in city elections," is just ridiculous. They can participate, they just can't automatically have a heavier hand than the general public. And David L. Cohen is against the rules, which is reason enough for me to be for them.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby Squire » Tue Feb 10, 2015 22:26:56

NBCNews suspends anchor Brian Williams 6 months without pay.
Tantamount to a firing. He won't be back and will rehabilitate is image elsewhere i presume.

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Feb 10, 2015 22:38:24

I like Williams and I'll be sorry if he's gone. At the same time I'd be delighted to see Lester Holt get his chance.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby Philly the Kid » Tue Feb 10, 2015 23:02:55

This is the kind of analysis that I follow.



It's not about the personalities. Or the parties. Or Labor. Or fiscal conservatives.

It's a corporate controlled state we live in. Our freedoms and liberties are limited with a certain range and paradigm. Most people are too distracted or uninformed - and for those that aspire to make a better world, a more egalitarian world, more fairness -- more opportunity - the jokes on on them. We've never been more surveilled - and there's never been more hypocrisy.

The illusion with a natioanl presidential election that our votes matter, heck they aren't even counted fairly - but the system is what it is. And the 1% is not interested in giving up their power. They don't want a literate, activated populace. They want them distracted and fearful.

Facts and reason don't matter, just manipulation of emotions.

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Feb 11, 2015 02:41:35

One of the most telling scenes from a portrait of Chomsky I read was him signing off on endorsements for various causes, of which he received dozens of requests and on which spent no time whatsoever considering their various merits. I f they seemed to fall on the rihgt side of the fence for him, he was happy to issue a boilerplate, but sincere sounding, statement of support. He's a brilliant linguist, )some might say cunning) but he's not really a thinker on political or social issues, more of an activist and proselytizer. I can't imaging devoting nearly an hour to listening to his "thoughts' which are far more often rationalizations for his preconceptions. It would be like me expounding on baseball at length. I'm certainly familiar with it and at times i might even be right. But it would just be seat of the pants expounding from a non-expert. Manipulation of emotions is exactly what Chomsky is about . Far better to read his sources, or, better yet, the fields in which he is an expert, rather than lend credence to his role as a political scientist of philosopher manqué.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby TomatoPie » Wed Feb 11, 2015 09:27:59

If it was just for the chopper story, then the BWill suspension is way over the top, a severe over-reaction by folks on the inside who have poop in they pants.

However, if there is good evidence of more tall tales - Katrina and such - then it may be warranted.

I like the guy - a lot - and I don't care for many mainstream news people.

I will be interested to see if his showbiz friends become vocal on his side - Tina Fey, for instance.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Feb 11, 2015 09:34:47

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 11, 2015 09:38:23

am i really the only person that dislikes Brian Williams? What did he actually DO of merit? Did he break any big stories? Challenge authority? Not cheerlead us into Iraq? Not do the '15 seconds on this issue then let's move on'???

He had a good voice, was good on talk shows, and did the same, tired format of nightly news which provides no insight, no prodding of the news.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby Bucky » Wed Feb 11, 2015 09:40:28

HE NEVER EVEN DID NFL FILM FFS

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Feb 11, 2015 09:41:48

I think the older generation cares more as being a network news anchor was a sign of having integrity and speaking the truth, ala Cronkite
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby Soren » Wed Feb 11, 2015 09:43:31

really bummed about J Stew.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Feb 11, 2015 09:45:56

Soren wrote:really bummed about J Stew.



I remember being bummed that Kilborn was leaving the Daily Show
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 11, 2015 09:47:19

sounds like you have personal problems
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:01:59

not exactly 'light' enough for the random thoughts thread, and not explicitly political, but more black people were terroristly lynched in the US than previously thought:
Researchers said they determined that 3,959 black people were killed in “racial terror lynchings” in a dozen Southern states between 1877 and 1950. The new number includes 700 people who were not named in previous works seeking to comprehensively document the toll, the authors wrote. Some of those previous studies were conducted at a time when lynching was still an ongoing phenomenon.


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The lynchings we document were acts of terrorism because these murders were carried out with impunity, sometimes in broad daylight, often “on the courthouse lawn.” These lynchings were not “frontier justice,” because they generally took place in communities where there was a functioning criminal justice system that was deemed too good for African Americans. Terror lynchings were horrific acts of violence whose perpetrators were never held accountable. Indeed, some “public spectacle lynchings” were attended by the entire white community and conducted as celebratory acts of racial control and domination.

And this segment describing the spectacles seems to echo what Tolnay and Beck wrote two decades ago regarding how public these events were:


Large crowds of white people, often numbering in the thousands and including elected officials and prominent citizens, gathered to witness pre-planned, heinous killings that featured prolonged torture, mutilation, dismemberment, and/or burning of the victim. White press justified and promoted these carnival like events, with vendors selling food, printers producing postcards featuring photographs of the lynching and corpse, and the victim’s body parts collected as souvenirs

In addition, the study decries the lack of a public memorial or monument to the lynching victims while the region is cluttered with “markers and monuments” memorializing the Civil War and Confederacy.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:02:31

I dunno, I enjoyed the 5 questions segment
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:08:16

I always preferred the British term of "newsreaders" to describe their news anchors. Once you look at them in that perspective, their glamour and importance drops off considerably.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby traderdave » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:19:30

It really is a toss-up as to who is the bigger embarrassment as Governor of New Jersey - McGreevey or Christie:

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/15/0 ... side-down/


What a fucking pandering scumbag.

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:20:16

Rand Paul no-showed a hearing (he was a a Foreign Relations hearing, apparently) discussing the necessity of vaccines. Elizabeth Warren asked questions directly addressing all of the conjecture Rand Paul brought up, and it was all met with a 'no, vaccines are safe' response.

Never understood why simulteaneous hearings happened
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby Roger Dorn » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:22:44

I enjoyed Stewart's takedown of the media in general re: Brian Williams. There is so much blatant hypocrisy there, given that the media went right along with Bushs lies without so much as questioning what the hell we were doing given the fear climate post 9/11. Bunch of cowards and hypocrites.
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