Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby drsmooth » Fri Mar 28, 2014 07:02:30

Republicans' political stupidity regarding ACA, illustrated:

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby drsmooth » Fri Mar 28, 2014 14:36:43

So Samson's tendered his resignation from Port Authority

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri Mar 28, 2014 14:53:03

Limbaugh's latest is that Democrats are using the FBI to arrested bad Democrats before the midterms so they can then win the midterms????
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Mar 28, 2014 15:28:06

drsmooth wrote:Republicans' political stupidity regarding ACA, illustrated:

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But midterm elections skew Republican, and 2016 is still an eternity away (at least in political terms). Their best hope for immediate success is to rally their base to steal some Senate seats. Backing down on the ACA at this point would be a base killer instead.

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri Mar 28, 2014 16:47:59

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby SK790 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 19:18:53

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Mar 28, 2014 22:03:39

The more I hear about this Christie report, the funnier I think it is. It must be nice to be rich and powerful enough that you can organize and finance an exonerating report into accusations of your wrongdoing and get it published before the real investigation. Can you imagine some poor black guy doing this? Yes, there are accusations that I robbed that Wawa, but my lawyers have looked into it without talking to the main people involved in the supposed crime and they have found no evidence linking me to any wrongdoing. We now consider the matter closed, and oh yeh, start thinking about me for POTUS in 2016.

It's like the Freeh report on steroids.

I have to hand it to Christie though, he's got balls of steel. If the POTUS thing doesn't work out, maybe he could become PM of Russia or something.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Bucky » Fri Mar 28, 2014 22:10:30

c'mon now, you're all messed up here. being rich had NOTHING to do with this. The taxpayers of the great state of New Jersey paid for this report.

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Mar 28, 2014 22:13:54

well that's somewhat worse than someone collecting food stamps, imho.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Mar 28, 2014 22:18:15

Monkeyboy wrote:The more I hear about this Christie support, the funnier I think it is. It must be nice to be rich and powerful enough that you can organize and finance an exonerating report into accusations of your wrongdoing and get it published before the real investigation. Can you imagine some poor black guy doing this? Yes, there are accusations that I robbed that Wawa, but my lawyers have looked into it without talking to the main people involved in the supposed crime and they have found no evidence linking me to any wrongdoing. We now consider the matter closed, and oh yeh, start thinking about me for POTUS in 2016.

It's like the Freeh report on steroids.

I have to hand it to Christie though, he's got balls of steel. If the POTUS thing doesn't work out, maybe he could become PM of Russia or something.


He seems to be successfully managing the message, though, to reduce the question as whether he ordered or knew about the bridge lane closings prior to them happening. I don't doubt that he insulated himself from the actual decision, but Christie went on to say that he had no idea anyone in his staff was involved until the emails were released, months after the suspicions of involvement were aired. This is what I find impossible to accept, but I think by the time this is this proven Christie will have characterized being caught out in this lie as nitpicking, probably successfully.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby ashton » Sat Mar 29, 2014 04:59:07

jerseyhoya wrote:UN General Assembly voted 100-11 with 58 abstentions calling the referendum in Crimea illegitimate. I love a good UN General Assembly issue dealing with a crappy country doing crappy things so you can see the who's who of crappy countries line up together - Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Zimbabwe, Nicaragua, Russia, Syria, and Sudan. Hey Russia, your friends (with one or two exceptions) are really awful.

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Let's combine these two and play the "what kind of company do you keep" game with the death penalty.

Countries that have officially executed at least one person in 2014:

China
Iran
Iraq
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Syria
United Arab Emirates
United States of America

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Bucky » Sat Mar 29, 2014 06:42:48

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Mar 29, 2014 07:36:17

swishnicholson wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:The more I hear about this Christie support, the funnier I think it is. It must be nice to be rich and powerful enough that you can organize and finance an exonerating report into accusations of your wrongdoing and get it published before the real investigation. Can you imagine some poor black guy doing this? Yes, there are accusations that I robbed that Wawa, but my lawyers have looked into it without talking to the main people involved in the supposed crime and they have found no evidence linking me to any wrongdoing. We now consider the matter closed, and oh yeh, start thinking about me for POTUS in 2016.

It's like the Freeh report on steroids.

I have to hand it to Christie though, he's got balls of steel. If the POTUS thing doesn't work out, maybe he could become PM of Russia or something.


He seems to be successfully managing the message, though, to reduce the question as whether he ordered or knew about the bridge lane closings prior to them happening. I don't doubt that he insulated himself from the actual decision, but Christie went on to say that he had no idea anyone in his staff was involved until the emails were released, months after the suspicions of involvement were aired. This is what I find impossible to accept, but I think by the time this is this proven Christie will have characterized being caught out in this lie as nitpicking, probably successfully.


I agree 100%, at least when it comes to the media. But I'm not sure the whole thing will pass the smell test with the average Joe on the street who is paying any attention at all. Of course, most of those people are in the northeast and wouldn't have voted for him anyway. He still could win his own state in a national election and that alone makes him dangerous. I'm standing by my prediction of a Christie-Hillary showdown, assuming no smoking gun is found.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:40:38

ashton wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:UN General Assembly voted 100-11 with 58 abstentions calling the referendum in Crimea illegitimate. I love a good UN General Assembly issue dealing with a crappy country doing crappy things so you can see the who's who of crappy countries line up together - Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Zimbabwe, Nicaragua, Russia, Syria, and Sudan. Hey Russia, your friends (with one or two exceptions) are really awful.

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Let's combine these two and play the "what kind of company do you keep" game with the death penalty.

Countries that have officially executed at least one person in 2014:

China
Iran
Iraq
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Syria
United Arab Emirates
United States of America



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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby pacino » Sat Mar 29, 2014 23:05:30

whoa, some random tv station has JVIM whatever that is and they are ranting about Obama being a wolf in sheep's clothing and not being a real Christian. lol
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby pacino » Sat Mar 29, 2014 23:27:59

holy fuck


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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby cshort » Sun Mar 30, 2014 09:41:20

Was that Beetlejuice from Howard Stern near the end of the first video?
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Mar 31, 2014 00:24:17

Sounds like some skirmishing shenanigans going on between North and South Korea. Hopefully that's all it is.

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby pacino » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:12:41

the guardian still doesn't get what the NSA is supposed to do, decries its spying on non-citizens:
Dream on. The significant thing about Obama's announcement is the two things it left out: surveillance of the internet (as distinct from the telephonic activity of American citizens); and of the rest of the world – that's you and me. So even if Obama succeeds in getting his little policy swerve through Congress, the central capabilities of the national surveillance state will remain in place, untouched and unimpaired.

At the heart of these capabilities is the "bulk collection" (that is, warrantless) collection and storage of communications metadata on an unimaginable scale. Given that metadata in this context is essentially a log of every communicative act that you make in cyberspace – where you went; who you emailed or texted; who emailed or texted you; the URL of every website you visited; a list of every web search you've ever made; and so on – metadata nowadays constitutes information of a very detailed and intimate nature.

The former is not on the President to change; it's on Congress. The second thing is there is a difference between collecting metadata and then actually using it. What is at stake is the storing of it and how the feds access it, not that it is being done.

This is intolerable, for various reasons. The first and most obvious one is the intimacy of the data that is being collected. What is even more offensive is the speciousness of the rationale that is trotted out by state authorities to "justify" it. This goes back to the era of analogue telephony when the US supreme court decided that the "metadata" of a telephone subscriber consisted of a log of the numbers s/he called, and that this log was the product of the telephone company, not of the subscriber. This was perhaps a not unreasonable judgment in an analogue era, but it is entirely inapplicable in a digital one. Our metadata should belong to us and should only be accessible under judicial supervision.

that is certainly his opinion, but he's wrong. A log of this nature IS the phone company's to hand over to the government. You make that agreement when you sign up for the OPTIONAL phone service.Same goes for the internet.

Related to that is the way in which bulk collection of metadata undermines a fundamental principle of any civilised legal system – the presumption of innocence until proved otherwise. Current NSA/GCHQ practice effectively turns every citizen into a suspect to be surveilled, just in case, at some time in the future, the state decides to take an interest in him or her.


It remains unclear to me why people are so fine with Google et al knowing far more about us than the government does, but get up in arms when the government asks for access to what is fairly mundane data. This data is there whether they like it or not, same as all of our bank information. As long as the normal process of judicial review is fully reinstated and checked, it should be of no concern to us as individuals if the government requests access to it. Cutting the time it holds it wise, too. What I think we should care about is that the process is real and in check. The previous rubber-stamp system was a joke, as was the unnecessary hoovering of data. Obama's proposals largely fix this. It seems like what so many Snowden fans want is unencumbered access to everything for everyone EXCEPT the US federal government. And if that was truly what they wanted, why are they not on about Snowden/Greenwald withholding so much information and just putting it out in drips and drabs when they've figured out their narrative on it?

We can have the NSA and have judicial review over its requests. It's on Congress so don't hold your breath. I guess I'm just in the minority on this one.
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