Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Dec 04, 2013 19:21:38

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 04, 2013 23:48:58

this article suggests another reason why looking at rate changes is unlikely to provide a good gauge of ACA success or failure.

What the article DOES do is expose fairly typical health insurer marketing/pricing shenanigans to the light of day

I posted a link to this in the health reform thread, but felt some here should be aware of it. I predict it will be spun by some as another sign of Team Obama incompetence, when it's mostly run-of-the-mill dipshitty health insurer business practices.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Dec 05, 2013 14:35:33



Ralphie Hudgens is a big fat idiot

he's also the Insurance Commissioner in the great state of Georgia

but mainly a big fat idiot

Republicans, you cannot win with jackasses like this representing your health reform opposition expertise
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Dec 05, 2013 14:47:20

INsurance.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Dec 05, 2013 15:40:10

JFLNYC wrote:INsurance.


:-D

Being a bad person, I stereotype relentlessly, and so automatically and deeply discount the intelligence of anyone who pronounces "insurance" that way.

Bubba Clinton, like most southerners (it seems), employs Hudgens' pronunciation, and so I automatically discount his intelligence too.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby joe table » Thu Dec 05, 2013 15:55:05

Kinda interesting that Eugene Scalia, son of conservahero Antonin, is the go-to litigator for business interests challenging federal agency rulemaking. Has successfully argued 6 cases challenging SEC regulations under Dodd-Frank and is now going to represent industry trade group against the new CFTC CDS regulations

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 16:56:59

joe table wrote:Kinda interesting that Eugene Scalia, son of conservahero Antonin, is the go-to litigator for business interests challenging federal agency rulemaking. Has successfully argued 6 cases challenging SEC regulations under Dodd-Frank and is now going to represent industry trade group against the new CFTC CDS regulations

he's been at it for a while

jan 2012 bloomberg: Suing the Government? Call Scalia!
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Dec 05, 2013 19:37:54

Thought of something I think is interesting. Let's say you're a political scientist, and you're doing some research on protests and repression. You observe that sometimes, repressing protesters work, and they protestors disperse and at least for awhile the problem goes away. But other times, repression backfires, making the protestors angry and increasing their resolve. (As currently seems to be happening in Ukraine.) And, you figure out why this happens--basically, a pretty good guide for when (and how much) to repress protests. This information of course would be quite useful to authoritarian regimes. Do you publish?

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby phdave » Thu Dec 05, 2013 20:10:23

TenuredVulture wrote:Thought of something I think is interesting. Let's say you're a political scientist, and you're doing some research on protests and repression. You observe that sometimes, repressing protesters work, and they protestors disperse and at least for awhile the problem goes away. But other times, repression backfires, making the protestors angry and increasing their resolve. (As currently seems to be happening in Ukraine.) And, you figure out why this happens--basically, a pretty good guide for when (and how much) to repress protests. This information of course would be quite useful to authoritarian regimes. Do you publish?

http://politicalviolenceataglance.org/2 ... real-deal/


Don't publish. Become a consultant for authoritarian regimes and then buy some nice vacation homes in the soon to be calm repressed areas.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 05, 2013 23:20:05

You can't make this stuff up
Back in August 2013, Young Invincibles, in partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services, launched the Healthy Young America Video Contest, an effort to mobilize young people to help educate and inform one another about the Affordable Care Act. Participants submitted their videos, the public weighed in, and a finalist was selected in each of three categories: "You Are Not Invincible," original song performance, and animation.

Erin McDonald was announced as the overall Grand Prize winner with her video "Forget about the Price Tag" in a Google+ Hangout featuring Kal Penn and White House Health Care policy expert Christen Linke Young on December 2.

Sign up for Obamacare, and forget about the price tag!


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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Dec 06, 2013 00:21:43

Werthless wrote:You can't make this stuff up
Back in August 2013, Young Invincibles, in partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services, launched the Healthy Young America Video Contest, an effort to mobilize young people to help educate and inform one another about the Affordable Care Act. Participants submitted their videos, the public weighed in, and a finalist was selected in each of three categories: "You Are Not Invincible," original song performance, and animation.

Erin McDonald was announced as the overall Grand Prize winner with her video "Forget about the Price Tag" in a Google+ Hangout featuring Kal Penn and White House Health Care policy expert Christen Linke Young on December 2.

Sign up for Obamacare, and forget about the price tag!



wow, that is horrible. Needs little if any modification to be a cutting parody.

but doesn't its existence demonstrate that, while maybe YOU can't make this stuff up, some people can, and do (though they obviously shouldn't)?
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:45:34

so JH, did one of your boy's cronies really close down bridge lanes to get back at the mayor of ft. lee?? :lol:

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2 ... cart_river

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:45:41

the House isn't doing shit:
The Speaker said he was “hopeful” that the House GOP Budget Committee chief, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), and his Democratic counterpart in the Senate, Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.), could strike a deal that could pass both chambers of Congress, but that none was yet at hand.
“Paul Ryan came in today and gave us an update on where they were,” Boehner said at his weekly Capitol press conference. “I’m hopeful that they’ll be able to work this out, but there’s clearly no agreement.”

He would not say whether or when the House would move to pass a stopgap spending bill if no agreement was reached. The House-Senate budget conference committee has a deadline of Dec. 13, but federal funding does not run out until Jan. 15.

Rep Tom Cole (R-Okla.) said he expects next Wednesday is the real deadline for the conference committee to vote on a proposal before recess.

On the farm bill, Boehner was more pessimistic and raised the possibility of needing a one-month extension of current policy into next year.

“I’ve not seen any real progress on the farm bill,” he said, “and so if we’ve got to pass a one-month extension of the farm bill, then I think we’ll be prepared to do that.”

Without an extension, milk prices could spike after Jan. 1. Boehner said that he believes an extension should cover the entire farm bill and not just the dairy program.

The Speaker was adamant that the House would not stay in session past Dec. 13 to finish work on the legislation.

“I’ve made it clear that the House is going to leave next Friday,” Boehner said. “You all know me pretty well: I say what I mean, and I mean what I say.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Dec 06, 2013 14:28:41

pacino wrote:the House isn't doing shit:
I say what I mean, and I mean what I say.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Dec 06, 2013 14:36:31

Bucky wrote:so JH, did one of your boy's cronies really close down bridge lanes to get back at the mayor of ft. lee?? :lol:

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2 ... cart_river



In a situation like this, as in the IRS scandal where they may have targeted GOP groups, we need to start at the bottom and just follow it right to the top. You just know Christie was in on this. There's no way a low ranking official does this without the direction of the governor. Heck, the people who made the decision in this case are about a thousand times closer to the governor than that IRS clown is to Obama.

I'm sure the conservative members of the forum will agree. We MUST find out what happened and why. In the IRS case, it was just a matter of money changing hands. In this case, people could have died. I'm sure we can all agree that Christie should take the stand and possibly be impeached over this.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Dec 06, 2013 15:32:27

Related to earlier conversation on ACA plan premium rates, a pantload of articles on where rates might end up for 2014, and beyond, most of which are highly speculative, including that dramatic looking bar chart at the end of the list (considerable difference of opinion among experts at the firm that produced it about whether that 'forecast' is playing out in 'real' rates, or whether it will hold into the future).
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Dec 06, 2013 15:49:44

I think that chart would be more instructive if it were in dollars, rather than percentages.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby cshort » Fri Dec 06, 2013 15:51:49

Monkeyboy wrote:
Bucky wrote:so JH, did one of your boy's cronies really close down bridge lanes to get back at the mayor of ft. lee?? :lol:

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2 ... cart_river



In a situation like this, as in the IRS scandal where they may have targeted GOP groups, we need to start at the bottom and just follow it right to the top. You just know Christie was in on this. There's no way a low ranking official does this without the direction of the governor. Heck, the people who made the decision in this case are about a thousand times closer to the governor than that IRS clown is to Obama.

I'm sure the conservative members of the forum will agree. We MUST find out what happened and why. In the IRS case, it was just a matter of money changing hands. In this case, people could have died. I'm sure we can all agree that Christie should take the stand and possibly be impeached over this.


Let's put the FBI on it. They'll get to it quickly.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby cshort » Fri Dec 06, 2013 15:53:38

Werthless wrote:You can't make this stuff up
Back in August 2013, Young Invincibles, in partnership with the Department of Health and Human Services, launched the Healthy Young America Video Contest, an effort to mobilize young people to help educate and inform one another about the Affordable Care Act. Participants submitted their videos, the public weighed in, and a finalist was selected in each of three categories: "You Are Not Invincible," original song performance, and animation.

Erin McDonald was announced as the overall Grand Prize winner with her video "Forget about the Price Tag" in a Google+ Hangout featuring Kal Penn and White House Health Care policy expert Christen Linke Young on December 2.

Sign up for Obamacare, and forget about the price tag!



Who are we kidding. She won because Kal Penn wanted to bang her.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Fri Dec 06, 2013 16:23:22

Monkeyboy wrote:
Bucky wrote:so JH, did one of your boy's cronies really close down bridge lanes to get back at the mayor of ft. lee?? :lol:

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2 ... cart_river



In a situation like this, as in the IRS scandal where they may have targeted GOP groups, we need to start at the bottom and just follow it right to the top. You just know Christie was in on this. There's no way a low ranking official does this without the direction of the governor. Heck, the people who made the decision in this case are about a thousand times closer to the governor than that IRS clown is to Obama.

I'm sure the conservative members of the forum will agree. We MUST find out what happened and why. In the IRS case, it was just a matter of money changing hands. In this case, people could have died. I'm sure we can all agree that Christie should take the stand and possibly be impeached over this.

Have people called for Obama's impeachment over the IRS scandal?

(I'm not sure why I'm even responding to your post)

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