All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Sep 24, 2013 19:51:59

karn wrote:Cruz is still making very relevant points 5 hours in. No real expectations to sway even a single vote (nor does he) but the guy is right on with the inequities of ACA


Seems like a lot on twitter were saying, at least earlier, he was making zero points. In fact he wasn't even talking about it at times.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby karn » Tue Sep 24, 2013 19:57:38

I've had it on for about a half hour and he's explained the long term effects of Obamacare on young people as clearly as anybody I've seen try to so far. Read from a Sep 19 WSJ article. Made a funny crack about White Castle cutting chain growth and how it'll hurt hungry kids at 3AM. I don't know. The guy is as agenda-based as any politician but he's been pretty consistent with his message, votes and high ground approach to push that agenda which as of today is one of the few which attempts to elucidate and correct the miserable realities of real middle class wage earners.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Sep 24, 2013 20:04:38

He also compared aca to nazi Germany

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby karn » Tue Sep 24, 2013 20:23:15

In the sense that neither are good, I agree with the Senator

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Sep 24, 2013 21:12:16

Ezra Klein:
That's not all of course. Cruz opposes raising taxes on the wealthy. The public supports it. Cruz opposes gun control. The public supports it. Cruz supports sharply cutting spending on Medicare and Social Security. The public opposes it. If Cruz actually believed his job was directly representing the will of the people, his voting record would be extremely different than it is.
Which is why it's so odd Cruz has chosen this argument. He could just be up there arguing against Obamacare. Instead he's arguing that we need to #MakeDCListen. He's making a broad, quasi-philosophical argument that senators should more fully reflect public opinion. But even he doesn't believe it. Cruz's filibuster is self-refuting.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Sep 24, 2013 21:27:44

I really, really, hope the Republicans nominate Cruz for Pres. He'd struggle to reach 40% of the popular vote.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby karn » Tue Sep 24, 2013 21:29:40

That's a pretty useless comment from Klein without context behind each of the three issues. Living on the internet reading blogs and pundits grossly miscolours the reality of day to day middle class America which is suffering, has not entered ANY phase of significant recovery from 2008 and will greatly suffer more under this bill

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby karn » Tue Sep 24, 2013 21:32:16

TenuredVulture wrote:I really, really, hope the Republicans nominate Cruz for Pres. He'd struggle to reach 40% of the popular vote.

Especially if 110% of Philly votes Democrat for a second straight election

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 25, 2013 06:55:30

karn wrote:That's a pretty useless comment from Klein without context behind each of the three issues. Living on the internet reading blogs and pundits grossly miscolours the reality of day to day middle class America which is suffering, has not entered ANY phase of significant recovery from 2008 and will greatly suffer more under this bill

that's certainly an opinion. klein references truths about public opinion. these don't have to be relitigated every single time an issue comes up.

i also spoke to 7 people yesterday asking about ACA and how to get coverage. all of them work but could not afford insurance, 3 of them had medical issues which would previously preclude them from being approved for private insurance. this would help pay portions of their premiums. this is about access and making sure money gathered by the insurance company is used in the implementation of care. there will be roadbumps along the way, and tweaks needed, and other issues will arise. this is what happens when something new is enacted. it doesnt mean we don't bother.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 09:14:25

hey calvin, karn is trying to make serious points in here and i feel like you're just making jokes like "he compared ACA to nazi Germany"
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:08:57

td11 wrote:hey calvin, karn is trying to make serious points in here and i feel like you're just making jokes like "he compared ACA to nazi Germany"



didnt take you for one to hold an internet grudge.

also it wasnt a joke. cruz literally did that.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:39:11

;) i know
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 25, 2013 13:24:10

first they came for the tongue depressors, and i said nothing.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Sep 25, 2013 15:43:56

cruz is a irl troll

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Sep 25, 2013 15:49:21

he's filibustering. it's how it works; you spew a bunch on nonsense to kill time

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 15:49:36

it's not a filibuster
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Sep 25, 2013 15:50:18

Houshphandzadeh wrote:he's filibustering. it's how it works; you spew a bunch on nonsense to kill time


I thought that was how message boards worked.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Sep 25, 2013 15:52:56

td11 wrote:it's not a filibuster

swishnicholson wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:he's filibustering. it's how it works; you spew a bunch on nonsense to kill time


I thought that was how message boards worked.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 25, 2013 15:55:42

he voted for the cloture measure he was fake filibustering against. i mean, i dont even

also, he took up discussion time. it wasnt a filibuster.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Sep 25, 2013 15:59:03

yeah was talking about the vote that he cast despite him trying to rally support the other direction.

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