All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Sep 07, 2013 04:33:49

Seems like the Liberals/Nationals are crushing Labor.

I learned something tonight. Canberra is pronounced Can-bruh, not Can-bear-uh. Who knew?

Australian TV covers this shit awesomely. http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/ - If you want to watch Australian election results with your Saturday breakfast

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Sep 07, 2013 14:51:27

How voting for the Senate works in Australia

Even though almost certainly no one else cares, a few points:
1) One of their larger minor parties is called the Sex Party
2) The Senate ballots are more than a meter long due to having 97 parties involved
3) Allocating preferences is a neat idea in theory, but having so many parties and the less than obvious way parties share preferences seems like it leads to really nonsensical outcomes

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Bucky » Sat Sep 07, 2013 15:17:50

nonsensical outcomes then lead to a more effective overall government

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Sep 07, 2013 16:06:18

They've had a pretty dysfunctional government for the past six years. The Labor Party has been nominally in charge, but they've been working without a majority and have had two leadership coups toppling their prime minister in the middle of his/her term.

Though that doesn't have much to do with the Senate voting though, because they use first past the post (with transferable votes) for the lower house elections as opposed to the proportional bit with the senate, and the prime minister comes from the lower house.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sat Sep 07, 2013 16:08:45

jerseyhoya wrote:Even though almost certainly no one else cares, a few points:
1) One of their larger minor parties is called the Sex Party

Well. that got our attention.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Sep 07, 2013 16:45:44

CNN Exclusive: Videos show glimpse into evidence for Syria intervention - Videos the administration is showing Congress

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Sat Sep 07, 2013 17:58:11

Just shows the victims...almost impossible to tell who actually utilized the chemical weapons. Classic signs of nerve poisoning though. Convinced me that they have been used.

Other issue is that the first responders are also going to get exposed to the nerve toxins because I still haven't seen any of them wearing MOPP gear. They are likely to get sick and die as well, especially if there was persistent agents utilized.

Ratcheting up the war machine they are.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby slugsrbad » Sat Sep 07, 2013 18:50:29

I love Lonegan calling for Booker to stop campaigning since Newark is a crime shithole. It makes sense, with the increase in crime, but he comes off as a dick for being the one to say it.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 07, 2013 20:13:38

he's running for office. of course he's campaigning.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Sep 07, 2013 21:42:01

The USA is the most militarized political regime in the history of the world. We have what, 2000 bases worldwide? The largest amount of taxpayer dollars in to military than any country and peoples in the history of the world.

Serious question --

What, would happen exactly in your opinion, if the USA closed say even 1000 of the 2000 bases, and cut the military budget in half? Put those resources in to internal infrastructure and various things for the citizenry? Would we be less safe? Would we be under attack? Would ANYTHING effect the common Joe any differently than things are now? Would our gasoline prices triple? What?

We are clearly the biggest bulllies on the planet and have zero credibility with regard to morality. The info filtered thtrough the corp media is mostly propaganda...what would change for the people, if anything?

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 07, 2013 21:50:02

why propose a theoretical that has no chance of happening
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Sep 07, 2013 22:01:31

I don't think that 2000 number is even close to correct. There are a bunch in Germany, but many of those are scheduled to close in the next two years. Many of the existing bases are probably really small.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 07, 2013 22:05:34

something like 750 bases from what i can gleam.

who cares about the amount, it's their mission that matters
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Sep 07, 2013 22:26:37

pacino wrote:something like 750 bases from what i can gleam.

who cares about the amount, it's their mission that matters


And we're going to close a bunch over the next few years, so PtK should be happy.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 07, 2013 22:39:27

EU agrees Assad did it, urges to wait for UN for confirmation:
VILNIUS, Lithuania (AP) — The European Union agreed on Saturday that the Aug. 21 chemical attack outside Damascus appears to have been the work of Syria's regime, but that any potential military attack against it should wait for a U.N. inspectors' report.

After meeting with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, the EU ministers ended days of division on the issue with a statement saying the available intelligence "seems to indicate strong evidence that the Syrian regime is responsible for these attacks."

Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius, who hosted the meeting, put it more bluntly in targeting Syrian President Bashar Assad, speaking of "more and more evidence that the Assad regime is behind all these crimes. We can't just ignore this."

The EU nations, most of which have been skeptical of a quick retaliatory strike against the regime, underscored "the need to move forward with addressing the Syrian crisis through the U.N. process." The ministers said they hope a "preliminary report of this first (U.N.) investigation can be released as soon as possible."

Kerry welcomed the stand of the 28 EU nations, calling it "a strong statement" backing all "the efforts to hold the Assad regime accountable for what it has done."

The German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung reported Saturday that the U.N. chemical weapons inspectors could submit initial findings from their tests of samples collected in Syria by the end of next week. The respected weekly said the interim report to U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon will likely contain details on the gas, ammunition and delivery systems used in the attack that killed hundreds of people in a suburb of Damascus.

Instrumental in bringing the EU together around a common viewpoint was the decision on Friday by French President Francois Hollande to wait for the U.N. report before deciding to intervene militarily, even though France had said the report would only show a chemical attack had taken place, not apportion blame.

The EU ministers welcomed "President Hollande's statement to wait for this report before any further action."

German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said the U.S. should follow France's example.

"We jointly welcomed the fact that France has decided to wait for the presentation of the United Nations report," Westerwelle told reporters. "We have also made clear our expectation toward our American partners that one should follow the example of France before capitals decide on taking further measures."

The EU ministers also stressed that perpetrators for such chemical attacks should face possible prosecution by the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

Germany joined in on blaming the attack on the Syrian government. It had been the only European member of the Group of 20 not to co-sign a joint statement issued Friday at the end of the group's meeting in St. Petersburg, Russia, blaming the regime.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 00:31:44

The Dude wrote:So they assassinate him, then some of the growing radical Islam rebel army factions gains traction and Iran is super pissed and you're only getting rid of a symptom. Then what


1. You deny any involvement in the assassination.

2. If the next guy sucks, you kill him too.

Targeted assassination probably isn't a realistic option, but Assad richly deserves it and a program secretly dedicated to a targeted assassination, whether it is ultimately successful or not, is infinitely preferable in my mind to a half-hearted (if transparent) military strike that will effect neither regime change nor any meaningful alteration to behavior.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby karn » Sun Sep 08, 2013 02:34:07

It's absolutely unimaginable to me that they are showing Youtube videos of dead children to congresspeople as a means of drumming up support. That of itself suggests there was far more depth to what happened with the gas massacre than we are being told publicly. It is basically saying, trust us, this is what happened, and at that level has no more validity to it than any other supposition or theory. This is in essence the same tactics that were used to sell Benghazi as a spontaneous protest when it was, in fact, a coordinated act of terrorism.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby karn » Sun Sep 08, 2013 02:37:43

The only thing that would change about Syria's ongoing brutalities with the death of Assad is that he could no longer be personally blamed.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby The Dude » Sun Sep 08, 2013 09:20:50

mozartpc27 wrote:
The Dude wrote:So they assassinate him, then some of the growing radical Islam rebel army factions gains traction and Iran is super pissed and you're only getting rid of a symptom. Then what


1. You deny any involvement in the assassination.

2. If the next guy sucks, you kill him too.

Targeted assassination probably isn't a realistic option, but Assad richly deserves it and a program secretly dedicated to a targeted assassination, whether it is ultimately successful or not, is infinitely preferable in my mind to a half-hearted (if transparent) military strike that will effect neither regime change nor any meaningful alteration to behavior.


It's not just "the next guy", it's a whole group of people. We still don't even know who did this, and you have a good chance of making the situation much worse. The world isn't stupid; he gets assassinated now, they know who did it.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Sep 08, 2013 14:42:30

karn wrote:It's absolutely unimaginable to me that they are showing Youtube videos of dead children to congresspeople as a means of drumming up support.


you've got to get yourself a more supple imagination if you feel that's the principal means being employed to persuade congresspeople
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