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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 29, 2013 04:48:52


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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Aug 29, 2013 09:59:52

the most horrible thing i've read in a while:
BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) — Faced with growing backlash, a Billings, Mont., judge who sentenced a man to 30 days for raping a 14-year-old girl is standing by his decision and comments that the girl was older than her “chronological age” when it came to sexual matters.

District Judge G. Todd Baugh handed down the sentence Monday after former Billings Senior High School teacher Stacey Rambold, 54, was terminated from a sexual offender treatment program that was part of a deal to have his prosecution deferred. The judge said he wasn’t convinced that the reasons for Rambold’s termination from the program were serious enough to warrant a 10-year prison term recommended by prosecutors.

In handing down the sentence, Baugh also said Cherice Moralez was “older than her chronological age” and “as much in control of the situation” as the teacher.

Moralez killed herself in 2010 at age 16 while the case was pending.

A petition for the judge’s censure is being drafted and a protest was scheduled for Thursday at Veterans Memorial Park, which adjoins Yellowstone County Courthouse in downtown Billings.

The girl’s mother, Auleia Hanlon, left the sentencing hearing screaming, “You people suck!” She said in a statement Tuesday she no longer believes in justice after Baugh’s remarks and sentence, the Billings Gazette reported.

“She wasn’t even old enough to get a driver’s license. But Judge Baugh, who never met our daughter, justified the paltry sentence saying she was older than her chronological age,” Hanlon said. “I guess somehow it makes a rape more acceptable if you blame the victim, even if she was only 14.”

Under state law, children younger than 16 cannot consent to sexual intercourse.

Baugh told the newspaper Tuesday that he stood by his comments that Moralez was a troubled youth who was older than her age when it came to sexual matters. That didn’t make Rambold’s sex with Moralez any less of a crime, he said.
“Obviously, a 14-year-old can’t consent. I think that people have in mind that this was some violent, forcible, horrible rape,” Baugh said. “It was horrible enough as it is just given her age, but it wasn’t this forcible beat-up rape.”
Moralez’s death complicated the case, Baugh said. The prosecution and defense reached an agreement after her death that Rambold would enter sexual-offender treatment.

If the former teacher completed treatment and complied with other conditions, the case would have been closed.

Rambold was terminated from the program in November when it was learned that he had been having unsupervised visits with minors, who were family members, and did not inform counselors that he had been having sexual relations with a woman.

“I think what people are seeing is a sentence for rape of 30 days. Obviously on the face of it, if you look at it that way, it’s crazy,” Baugh said. “No wonder people are upset. I’d be upset, too, if that happened.”

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 29, 2013 13:47:41

Been watching the Commons debate for the past few hours. Speakers seem overwhelmingly opposed to action, but I'm guessing people opposed are more likely to speak.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Werthless » Thu Aug 29, 2013 16:36:19


The prosecution and defense reached an agreement after her death that Rambold would enter sexual-offender treatment.

If the former teacher completed treatment and complied with other conditions, the case would have been closed.

Rambold was terminated from the program in November when it was learned that he had been having unsupervised visits with minors, who were family members, and did not inform counselors that he had been having sexual relations with a woman.

He's being punished for breaking the terms of the plea agreement. Blame the prosecutors who cut a wimpy deal before the trial.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Aug 29, 2013 16:39:30

others differ with your take on the sentence:
A Yellowstone County prosecutor says he believes a state judge erred in giving a 30-day prison sentence to a former teacher convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl who later committed suicide.
County Attorney Scott Twito said Thursday that a legal review of the case suggests former teacher Stacey Rambold should have received at least two years in prison.

District Judge G. Todd Baugh has been sharply criticized over Monday's sentencing, in which he said the victim was "older than her chronological age" and had some control over her relationship with Rambold.

Twito says he's working with the appellate division of the state Attorney General's Office on whether to appeal. A final decision has not been made.

Prosecutors originally sought a 20-year sentence with 10 years suspended.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 29, 2013 19:11:57

Cameron lost the Commons vote by 13 votes

Administration now saying that they're willing to go it alone. No UN, no NATO, no UK, no US Congress.

Hilarious

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Roger Dorn » Thu Aug 29, 2013 19:29:24

Does the UN serve any purpose at all? The Security Council is worthless considering we would be hand-tied from taking any action once Russia vetoes, that's if entertaining the notion of bringing if to the world body wasn't pure theatrics.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby drsmooth » Thu Aug 29, 2013 19:33:05

jerseyhoya wrote:Cameron lost the Commons vote by 13 votes

Administration now saying that they're willing to go it alone. No UN, no NATO, no UK, no US Congress.

Hilarious


Surely you can find a more mature observation to make, given the context.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Werthless » Thu Aug 29, 2013 20:35:25

jerseyhoya wrote:Cameron lost the Commons vote by 13 votes

Administration now saying that they're willing to go it alone. No UN, no NATO, no UK, no US Congress.

Hilarious

I don't see why he wouldnt reach out to Congress and build internal support. I don't see how unilateral action is the best solution.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 29, 2013 21:28:11

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jerseyhoya wrote:Cameron lost the Commons vote by 13 votes

Administration now saying that they're willing to go it alone. No UN, no NATO, no UK, no US Congress.

Hilarious

I don't see why he wouldnt reach out to Congress and build internal support. I don't see how unilateral action is the best solution.

I think he's afraid of losing a vote in Congress.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby drsmooth » Thu Aug 29, 2013 21:58:12

jerseyhoya wrote:
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jerseyhoya wrote:Cameron lost the Commons vote by 13 votes

Administration now saying that they're willing to go it alone. No UN, no NATO, no UK, no US Congress.

Hilarious

I don't see why he wouldnt reach out to Congress and build internal support. I don't see how unilateral action is the best solution.

I think he's afraid of losing a vote in Congress.


explain

because there's little sense in that?
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 29, 2013 21:59:55

Barack Obama does not want Congress to have to vote to approve his strike on Syria because Barack Obama fears Congress will not vote to approve his strike on Syria if they were asked to vote to approve his strike on Syria

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Aug 29, 2013 22:02:25

you appear to take too much glee in uncertain things that are being whispered but not stated.
yeah:
In the U.S., many lawmakers are still in their districts on August recess, leaving the administration scrambling to arrange a conference call with Congressional leaders using classified phone lines, sources told NBC News.


And a letter signed by 98 House Republicans and 18 Democrats warned Obama that “engaging our military in Syria when no direct threat to the United States exists and without prior Congressional authorization would violate the separation of powers that is clearly delineated in the Constitution.”
The letter, circulated by Rep. Scott Rigell, a Virginia Republican, said lawmakers “stand ready to come back into session, consider the facts before us, and share the burden of decisions made regarding U.S. involvement in the quickly escalating Syrian conflict.” But it offered no sign that they planned to do so.
The hands-off approach could allow the GOP to exploit the issue for political gain. With Americans wary of another military intervention in the Middle East, Republicans are eager to distance themselves from any decision to go to war. And insisting that Obama get congressional authorization helps further the notion of an out-of-control executive that much of the conservative movement has bought into lately. At the same time, some Republicans like Sen. John McCain are urging Obama to respond, and look ready to criticize him for not doing enough.


the republicans have decided they respect the War Powers Act again, and it is, as jh stated, 'hilarious'. but whatever, in the end it's what is right. we probably shouldnt do much more than what we're doing, but it's not going to be the end of democracy as we know it if we do since the executive has already been so aggressively and permanently expanded. putting president obama up as the major abuser of it is indeed 'hilarious'
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby drsmooth » Thu Aug 29, 2013 22:21:14

jerseyhoya wrote:Barack Obama does not want Congress to have to vote to approve his strike on Syria because Barack Obama fears Congress will not vote to approve his strike on Syria if they were asked to vote to approve his strike on Syria


Barry doesn't have to run for office again, remember

You're acting like he WANTS to be John McCain

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Roger Dorn » Thu Aug 29, 2013 22:23:32

My major concern is how powerful the executive branch has become, this has been in the making for decades and Congress is partly responsible for twiddling their collective thumbs and effectively doing nothing

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 29, 2013 22:27:30

pacino wrote:you appear to take too much glee in uncertain things that are being whispered but not stated.
yeah:
In the U.S., many lawmakers are still in their districts on August recess, leaving the administration scrambling to arrange a conference call with Congressional leaders using classified phone lines, sources told NBC News.


And a letter signed by 98 House Republicans and 18 Democrats warned Obama that “engaging our military in Syria when no direct threat to the United States exists and without prior Congressional authorization would violate the separation of powers that is clearly delineated in the Constitution.”
The letter, circulated by Rep. Scott Rigell, a Virginia Republican, said lawmakers “stand ready to come back into session, consider the facts before us, and share the burden of decisions made regarding U.S. involvement in the quickly escalating Syrian conflict.” But it offered no sign that they planned to do so.
The hands-off approach could allow the GOP to exploit the issue for political gain. With Americans wary of another military intervention in the Middle East, Republicans are eager to distance themselves from any decision to go to war. And insisting that Obama get congressional authorization helps further the notion of an out-of-control executive that much of the conservative movement has bought into lately. At the same time, some Republicans like Sen. John McCain are urging Obama to respond, and look ready to criticize him for not doing enough.


the republicans have decided they respect the War Powers Act again, and it is, as jh stated, 'hilarious'. but whatever, in the end it's what is right. we probably shouldnt do much more than what we're doing, but it's not going to be the end of democracy as we know it if we do since the executive has already been so aggressively and permanently expanded. putting president obama up as the major abuser of it is indeed 'hilarious'

I'm going on leaks from the administration (whispers) and not things said because the President of the United States has barely taken the time to say anything about this whole affair. He made a brief case on NewsHour yesterday, but for the most part has ignored the process elements of the story. It's clear that to this point they've shown no inclination to take this to Congress. Consulting with leadership and heads of key committees (and Obama not even being on the call!!) isn't close to getting Congressional approval.

Obama's precedents for bypassing Congress on this are Kosovo (where there was NATO cover) and Libya (where there was UN cover). Bush's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq both received authorization of the use of force from Congress. Obama ran against bypassing Congress on decisions such as this explicitly. Biden threatened to seek to impeach Bush if he attacked Iran without Congressional authorization. The Democratic Party has spent a decade mocking Bush's coalition of the willing, but Obama is fine with moving forward without even one of them.

I think we need to do this unilaterally or not due to Obama's red line statement, but he should go to Congress. And Boehner and Reid are both perfectly happy to be ignored, so this isn't all on Obama.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 29, 2013 22:31:37

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Barack Obama does not want Congress to have to vote to approve his strike on Syria because Barack Obama fears Congress will not vote to approve his strike on Syria if they were asked to vote to approve his strike on Syria


Barry doesn't have to run for office again, remember

You're acting like he WANTS to be John McCain

jesus, you're the tactical wizard, not me

He believes he has a responsibility to act, though he's clearly not enthusiastic about it. Congress voting against action would prevent him from what he views as his responsibility, following through on his word. Whether he has to run for office again or not is completely fucking irrelevant.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Aug 30, 2013 00:21:18

When he was first elected mayor of Newark, the tale of T-Bone was a staple of Cory Booker’s speeches.

"I said hello to this guy and I’ll never forget he leaped off the steps where he was standing and looked at me and threatened my life," Booker said during a 2007 speech at the New School in New York.

"I later got to know this guy and his name was T-Bone and I’m a vegetarian so that was a particularly vicious threat," Booker said to big laughs.

Months later, The Star-Ledger tried to find T-Bone, to no avail. Those who knew Booker then said the character was a fabrication.

But now, as Booker faces off against Republican Steve Lonegan in a heated battle to replace the late Democratic U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg, the tale of T-Bone is back with a vengeance.

An article published Thursday in the conservative National Review rehashed the story, quoting respected Newark historian Clement Price, who said the mayor confessed to him that T-Bone was a tall tale. In an interview with The Star-Ledger Thursday, Price again said Booker’s story was made-up. "Cory realized that he had erred," Price said of his 2008 conversation with the mayor. "He told me that my criticism of his invention of T-Bone made perfect sense to him and he had made a mistake."


The tale of T-Bone: Cory Booker's past statements haunt him on campaign trail

TBONE

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Aug 30, 2013 02:57:34

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Cameron lost the Commons vote by 13 votes

Administration now saying that they're willing to go it alone. No UN, no NATO, no UK, no US Congress.

Hilarious


Surely you can find a more mature observation to make, given the context.
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Just about every choice Obama has sucks. A military action (even a small one) won't have much overt international support, and likelly backfire especially if there are civilian casualties; there are already sanctions against Syria so more won't mean squat; inaction will cost the US it's moral authority regarding chems and paint Obama as a pansy ass. Obama was served a shit sammich with no clear non-sucking choice. A big ol' shit sammich served on ass bread (ASSad and the rebels). R's and NObamas across the land are secretly fapping so ferociously weather patterns are changing.

The only thing I can think of is for Obama to publicly announce a bounty for Assad's capture to stand trial for war crimes. Must be taken alive, no payout if dead (we ain't sanctioning assassination). Can't try him in absentia because that won't dissuade him against using chems again, it'll likely embolden him to do so since it won't matter to him anymore. Someone in his regime will ascend and take his place* so it's possible we won't be dictating (or seen as deciding) the outcome of their civil war. Even if no one turns on him, the mere thought will probably make Assad so paranoid he'll go into hiding where he'll spend all his time sobbing into Asma's bossom, lower lip quivering on a chinless silhouette.

* perhaps a covert deal with someone in the Assad regime that ain't that bad (if there /is/ someone not bad). Preferably someone with a gaddam chin.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby drsmooth » Fri Aug 30, 2013 07:09:04

jerseyhoya wrote:
He believes he has a responsibility to act, though he's clearly not enthusiastic about it. Congress voting against action would prevent him from what he views as his responsibility, following through on his word. Whether he has to run for office again or not is completely fucking irrelevant.


only in your 'convinced he does not want to take this to Congress' mind

You've misread the available data before, badly (particularly some guy named Romney). I'm not really persuaded by your 'hilarious' eyewash on this issue
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