Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:11:37

NOW WE KNOW WHEN THE RAPTURE BEGINS AMIRITE
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:12:33

td11 wrote:http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_g2bh.pdf

Scalia:

This case is about power in several respects. It is about the power of our people to govern themselves, and the power of this Court to pronounce the law. Today’s opinion aggrandizes the latter, with the predictable consequence of diminishing the former. We have no power to decide this case. And even if we did, we have no power under theConstitution to invalidate this democratically adopted leg- islation.


i wonder how much hand wringing scalia is doing??

This case is about power in several respects. It is about the power of our people to govern themselves, and the power of this Court to pronounce the law. Today’s opinion aggrandizes the latter, with the predictable consequence of diminishing the former. We have no power to decide this case. And even if we did, we have no power under theConstitution to invalidate this democratically adopted leg- islation.


except the VRA, fuck that legislation
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby kimbatiste » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:14:19

Prop 8 case is going to be punted on standing grounds. Leaves the 9th Circuit decision in place but won't create any precedent.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:14:39

DOMA singles out a class of persons deemed by a State entitled ot recognition and protection to enhance their own liberty."
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:14:58

If you were ever stupid enough to believe in "judicial philosophy" you really can't do so anymore. Here's how it works if you're a Supreme Court Justice--you figure out how you want the ruling to go, and you hire very smart law school graduates to figure out a justification for it. Sometimes, it's pretty funny.

I'm specifically thinking about federalism/states rights--if you're Scalia, state's rights are good if you're keeping blacks from voting, but bad if you're letting gays marry.

And that's all there really is to it. Parsing decisions for "legal thinking" and such like is pretty much a waste of time.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:16:17

TenuredVulture wrote:If you were ever stupid enough to believe in "judicial philosophy" you really can't do so anymore. Here's how it works if you're a Supreme Court Justice--you figure out how you want the ruling to go, and you hire very smart law school graduates to figure out a justification for it. Sometimes, it's pretty funny.


this is majorly depressing though
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:17:51

td11 wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:If you were ever stupid enough to believe in "judicial philosophy" you really can't do so anymore. Here's how it works if you're a Supreme Court Justice--you figure out how you want the ruling to go, and you hire very smart law school graduates to figure out a justification for it. Sometimes, it's pretty funny.


this is majorly depressing though



Not really--it's politics. The only problem come about when we pretend otherwise.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:19:11

TenuredVulture wrote:If you were ever stupid enough to believe in "judicial philosophy" you really can't do so anymore. Here's how it works if you're a Supreme Court Justice--you figure out how you want the ruling to go, and you hire very smart law school graduates to figure out a justification for it. Sometimes, it's pretty funny.

I'm specifically thinking about federalism/states rights--if you're Scalia, state's rights are good if you're keeping blacks from voting, but bad if you're letting gays marry.

And that's all there really is to it. Parsing decisions for "legal thinking" and such like is pretty much a waste of time.

Yup. Been that way since the beginning of our country. John Marshall had the political goal of maximizing the power of the judiciary and bent over backwards to achieve that goal.

Anyone who believed otherwise is either blindly partisan or not paying attention.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:19:32

no it's definitely depressing and sad that the highest court in the land is a bunch of IRL trolls trying to out-logic each other using a hundreds of years old document as gospel, and that these shitty decisions don't just end with a "fuck you, log off" but instead have a major impact on actual peoples' lives
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:28:23

I love how the fucking hypocrite Scalia is arguing that the federal government should be able to override the states on a solely state matter yet decrying "judicial supremacy". "Power of the people" my ass.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:33:55

more Scalia

"That is jaw-dropping. It is an assertion of judicial supremacy over the people’s Representatives in Congress
and the Executive. It envisions a Supreme Court standing
(or rather enthroned) at the apex of government, empowered to decide all constitutional questions, always and every-
where “primary” in its role."

lolololol
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby kimbatiste » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:34:42

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Scalia's deference to Congress on DOMA but not on voting rights reveals a remarkable intellectual dexterity and utter lack of principle.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:35:56

In response to a few comments, please scroll back up in the liveblog to 10:26, where Amy announced that this is "Perry," i.e., Hollingsworth v. Perry, the Prop 8 case. All of the commentary from that point down relates to this case, in which the appeal from the district court's order was dismissed for a lack of standing.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Soren » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:40:40

let's all get gay married. Bring on the end of days.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:41:56

Supreme Court: Keep on Butt Bangin'
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:44:02

In states where marriage equality exists, anyhow

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:45:45

I suppose the next gay marriage case that will eventually hit the Supreme Court is whether states have to recognize gay marriage from other states that allow it
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:47:41

there would be no compelling case not to recognize them, one would think
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:49:12

from SCOTUS, if anyone needs a quickie to help your friends:

Amy Howe: Here's a Plain English take on Hollingsworth v. Perry, the challenge to the constitutionality of California's Proposition 8, which bans same-sex marriage: After the two same-sex couples filed their challenge to Proposition 8 in federal court in California, the California government officials who would normally have defended the law in court, declined to do so. So the proponents of Proposition 8 stepped in to defend the law, and the California Supreme Court (in response to a request by the lower court) ruled that they could do so under state law. But today the Supreme Court held that the proponents do not have the legal right to defend the law in court. As a result, it held, the decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, the intermediate appellate court, has no legal force, and it sent the case back to that court with instructions for it to dismiss the appeal.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:54:36

td11 wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:The Democratic resurgence in Texas (if my Facebook wall tonight is to be believed) will be on the back of an issue where the public disagrees with them 62-28%. It's hard to see how this can fail.


http://progresstexas.org/press/bipartis ... egislation

Texans disapprove of the legislature taking up abortion bills during the special session by 80%, according to a bipartisan poll conducted from June 17-19, 2013. In addition, 63% of Texas voters think the state has enough abortion restrictions, and 71% say the legislature should be focusing on the economy and jobs.

Process vs. substance. You're not gonna fight a winning battle in Texas (or really any state) on the keep 20+ week abortions legal hill. And process arguments are boring and get tuned out quickly.

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