Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jun 25, 2013 21:38:42

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jerseyhoya wrote:Read the decisions, and I'm not a lawyer so that caveat applies, but this is an area of interest. Like most 5-4 decisions, both arguments seem pretty persuasive on their own.

Roberts seems to be starting from the position that any federal legislation that puts states under different levels of federal supervision requires a uniquely significant rationale. In 1966, that existed when the Court approved of the VRA handling the covered states differently under Section 5. Also the formula devised in Section 4 was a means inextricably linked to the goal. Given the changes of the past 40-50 years, Congress just reauthorizing the formulas based on statistics from so long ago comes nowhere near clearing the bar for demonstrating that same linkage, which means that part of the law falls short of the burden he started with. The focus is also a very macro level picture look at voter registration and turnout numbers since passage of the VRA, with the conclusion drawn that many of the covered states are no longer uniquely deserving of targeting from the federal government on voting rights issues.

Ginsberg has a lot of problems with the majority opinion, but the crux of it is that Congress put a lot of time and thought into the reauthorization of the VRA in 2006 and the Court has shown deference to Congress when it tries to protect rights using the Civil War amendments. She takes a more micro level look, citing specific instances in some of the covered jurisdictions where violations were prevented by the law, as opposed to Roberts' focus on the macro level.

On the whole, I think the majority is in the right. There should be a significant burden for the federal government to treat states differently, and the formula is outdated. The Court is hesitant to overturn acts of Congress, but this wasn't a surprise. They signaled four years ago that the current law was unacceptable, and this would happen if they didn't update the formula themselves.

As a side note, at one point in the dissent, Ginsberg asks if Congress isn't allowed to make laws differentiating between states, specifically citing (among a few others) the law banning sports betting in all but four states. Given the recent court controversy over New Jersey attempting to start sports betting, it'd be nice if this could be used as precedent for overturning that from Congress as well.

The US Code is rife with disparate treatment. Hell, any appropriations bill treats the states differently (usually based on the power of a state's legislators).

I have a hard time seeing how that's comparable.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby FTN » Tue Jun 25, 2013 22:14:25

selecting nominations for the supreme court is the president's second greatest power. its amazing how it shapes the entire nation, yet we only seem to focus on it for a day or two when a nomination is made.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby FTN » Tue Jun 25, 2013 22:27:45

also, wendy davis is pretty hot i think

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jun 25, 2013 22:59:20

Looking forward to everyone here's hand wringing over the court not showing sufficient deference to laws passed by huge majorities of Congress tomorrow AM when the Court overturns DOMA.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby FTN » Tue Jun 25, 2013 23:24:18

none of these dickheads know the rules

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 23:31:32

i would be kind of shocked if they struck down DOMA entirely or in a way that allows a federal right to marry. i think the lady is gonna get back her estate taxes but no way they recognize gay marriage federally or anything
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Jun 26, 2013 01:46:03

jerseyhoya wrote:Looking forward to everyone here's hand wringing over the court not showing sufficient deference to laws passed by huge majorities of Congress tomorrow AM when the Court overturns DOMA.

I already said that was a stupid point.

And my appropriation bill comment was obviously more than a bit tongue in cheek.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jun 26, 2013 01:46:35

The Democratic resurgence in Texas (if my Facebook wall tonight is to be believed) will be on the back of an issue where the public disagrees with them 62-28%. It's hard to see how this can fail.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Jun 26, 2013 03:38:58

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 07:37:36

jerseyhoya wrote:The Democratic resurgence in Texas (if my Facebook wall tonight is to be believed) will be on the back of an issue where the public disagrees with them 62-28%. It's hard to see how this can fail.

Laws restricting abortion should be stricter, according to 38 percent of the respondents, while 26 percent said the laws should be less strict and 21 percent said they should be left as they are now.

uhm, this law is pretty much not nearly as cut and dry as you say it is

they attempted to pass a law in a special session which appeared to have no need for being placed in the special session other than to bypass the normal debate and slowness of how a law is passed.

The poll split a question about abortions after 20 weeks — an effort to see whether talking in the context of fetal pain changed the responses of Texas voters. It didn’t: 62 percent said they would support “prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks based on the argument that a fetus can feel pain at that point,” and that same percentage said they support “prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks.” Nearly half — 49 percent in the first question and 47 percent in the second — said they would strongly support those prohibitions.

they are coming from a medical falsehood. the fetus cannot feel pain. i guess that's before it's jackin' off, too. so, i mean, the entire concept is a falsehood, and it's sad enough people fell for it. be that as it may, the same poll cited that it was about a coinflip as to whether people actually wanted more legislation. and that is in texas.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby kopphanatic » Wed Jun 26, 2013 08:28:12

It's a cruel irony that if the Democrats had let Bork pass, yesterday's ruling wouldn't have happened.
You're the conductor Ruben. Time to blow the whistle!

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 08:53:30

looks like senator davis did it.

she won her 2012 race thanks to section 5 of the VRA, basically:

State Sen. Wendy Davis, D-Fort Worth, declared victory Thursday in a two-year legal battle over redistricting, saying state Republican leaders have agreeed to end their attempts to “dismantle” her Tarrant County senatorial district.

Testifying at a Senate hearing on redistricting, Davis said attorneys for the state have informed a three-judge federal panel in San Antonio that they will no longer seek changes in the District 10 boundaries under which Davis won elections in 2008 and 2012.

The outcome, Davis said, ends conflict that began in 2011 when the Republican-controlled Legislature, in drawing new congressional and legislative districts, sharply retooled State District 10 into a heavily Republican district.

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“In his call for a special session, Gov. Perry is insisting that Legislature adopt — without any changes — state House and congressional maps that include some of the features that a Washington, D.C., federal court has determined violate the U.S. Voting Rights Act,” Davis told the committee.


http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/05/30 ... texas.html
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 09:02:29

get your concealed handgun license ready to show, but not your student ID
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby kimbatiste » Wed Jun 26, 2013 09:36:34

About 30 minutes until the last three Supreme Court opinions of the term are released, including the two marrige equality cases.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:02:03

jerseyhoya wrote:The Democratic resurgence in Texas (if my Facebook wall tonight is to be believed) will be on the back of an issue where the public disagrees with them 62-28%. It's hard to see how this can fail.


http://progresstexas.org/press/bipartis ... egislation

Texans disapprove of the legislature taking up abortion bills during the special session by 80%, according to a bipartisan poll conducted from June 17-19, 2013. In addition, 63% of Texas voters think the state has enough abortion restrictions, and 71% say the legislature should be focusing on the economy and jobs.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby kimbatiste » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:03:52

DOMA unconstitutional

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:03:56

via the scotusblog livefeed

10:01 Amy Howe: Here's Lyle with the first opinion. It's DOMA

Wednesday June 26, 2013 10:01 Amy Howe
10:02 Amy Howe: 5-4 per Kennedy.

Wednesday June 26, 2013 10:02 Amy Howe
10:02 Amy Howe: Roberts dissents. Scalia dissents. Equal protection.
Wednesday June 26, 2013 10:02 Amy Howe
10:02 Amy Howe: Scalia is joined by Thomas, Chief joins in part.
Wednesday June 26, 2013 10:02 Amy Howe
10:02 Amy Howe: Alito dissents, joined by Thomas in part.
Wednesday June 26, 2013 10:02 Amy Howe
10:03 Amy Howe: DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:10:25

all this gay sex started breaking out in the streets. look out your windows and report back here please.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:10:39

DOMA dead
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:11:20

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12 ... 7_g2bh.pdf

Scalia:

This case is about power in several respects. It is about the power of our people to govern themselves, and the power of this Court to pronounce the law. Today’s opinion aggrandizes the latter, with the predictable consequence of diminishing the former. We have no power to decide this case. And even if we did, we have no power under theConstitution to invalidate this democratically adopted leg- islation.


i wonder how much hand wringing scalia is doing??
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