Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Tue May 14, 2013 08:37:51

Regarding the AP case, the administration has been urged for some time to be much more aggressive about getting to the bottom of security-related information leaks by such noted socialist-marxist-muslim-aryans as John McCain & Lindsey Graham.

I half-expect news of their briefings at/near the time of the taps is forthcoming
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby kruker » Tue May 14, 2013 09:48:05

The following statement can be attributed to Laura W. Murphy, director of the American Civil Liberties Union Washington Legislative Office:

"The media's purpose is to keep the public informed and it should be free to do so without the threat of unwarranted surveillance. The Attorney General must explain the Justice Department's actions to the public so that we can make sure this kind of press intimidation does not happen again."

The following statement can be attributed to Ben Wizner, director of the ACLU Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project:

"Obtaining a broad range of telephone records in order to ferret out a government leaker is an unacceptable abuse of power. Freedom of the press is a pillar of our democracy, and that freedom often depends on confidential communications between reporters and their sources."


“It is known to the president of the United States that this is the policy,” Bernstein said. “To say there was no knowledge in, quote, specifically about this in the White House is nonsense. This is a policy matter and this does go to the president.”

Bernstein also echoed a common Republican complaint — while the administration prosecutes leakers, some of its top officials also leak classified information.

“Very high officials every day are doing this for their own reasons,” Bernstein said. “So this is selective. There’s no reason for it beyond that which is nefarious. It’s simple as that. And it’s dangerous and it shouldn’t be excused.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/c ... z2TH5IOzG4


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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Tue May 14, 2013 11:47:17

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Tue May 14, 2013 12:03:03

Werthless wrote:Image


This is great stuff. Now all you need to add is data on the extent to which people actually purchase individual insurance policies, vs obtain coverage from employers, their universities/colleges, etc
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:04:17

^from this CNN Money piece in case anyone else was curious.

Many groups have come out with reports forecasting what will happen to premiums, on average, next year. But just what folks will pay for insurance on the individual market depends on a variety of factors. They include the enrollee's income, age, gender, current coverage level and state of residence.

"The average isn't very relevant to any particular person," said Jim O'Connor, principal at consulting firm Milliman, who authored a report on how "Obamacare" will affect premiums.

...

At this point, everyone -- including the insurers -- is just guessing at what premiums should be. That makes next year a giant experiment. Will younger, healthier people purchase coverage, or will they skip it and simply pay the fine? Next year, the fine starts at $95 per adult -- a rate likely to be cheaper than any individual plan available on the state exchanges.


sounds like no one has any idea!
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue May 14, 2013 12:06:45

almost makes you wish we just had universal healthcare

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue May 14, 2013 12:12:12

sure would be nice


Anyway, i'm now seeing hte issue with the DOJ thing. It's that, unless they answer this and explain why they brought in so many lines, it's a very broad brush for what seems to amount to phishing for info, not necessarily a narrow investigation.

Holder's pretty terrible in every respect, but the only things people in DC seem to care about are partisan things. if this is what takes him down, fine. let's get someone who will actually prosecute some people in that role.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Soren » Tue May 14, 2013 12:13:47

Houshphandzadeh wrote:almost makes you wish we just had universal healthcare


almost
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby CalvinBall » Tue May 14, 2013 12:14:25

fighting joe sestak plans to run for senate against toomey in 2016

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:15:32

pacino wrote:sure would be nice


Anyway, i'm now seeing hte issue with the DOJ thing. It's that, unless they answer this and explain why they brought in so many lines, it's a very broad brush for what seems to amount to phishing for info, not necessarily a narrow investigation.

Holder's pretty terrible in every respect, but the only things people in DC seem to care about are partisan things. if this is what takes him down, fine. let's get someone who will actually prosecute some people in that role.


well he has had no problem prosecuting legal weed store owners, so idk man. but yeah holder kinda suxx
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:15:45

CalvinBall wrote:fighting joe sestak plans to run for senate against toomey in 2016


i like that dude
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue May 14, 2013 12:24:08

CalvinBall wrote:fighting joe sestak plans to run for senate against toomey in 2016

he didnt do too bad in a seachange election...too far out to know anything, though. im not talking prez just yet, let alone senate.

i will say that rand paul has visited: Iowa, NH, SC, Israel, and the Christian Broadcast News, all preparing for a run.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby CalvinBall » Tue May 14, 2013 12:28:16

i knew our electoral process was messed up but didnt know israel got a say too. hate this country.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue May 14, 2013 12:29:18

shows you are religious and are pro-israel, which is big, baby, big
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby CalvinBall » Tue May 14, 2013 12:29:55

i know im just teasing

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby kruker » Tue May 14, 2013 12:46:43

pacino wrote:Holder's pretty terrible in every respect, but the only things people in DC seem to care about are partisan things. if this is what takes him down, fine. let's get someone who will actually prosecute some people in that role.


You don't have to look far to see this.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue May 14, 2013 12:47:19

Werthless wrote:Image

Just another instance of the federal government screwing over younger generations to boost old folks. I hate old people.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Tue May 14, 2013 12:49:50

td11 wrote:^from this CNN Money piece in case anyone else was curious.

Many groups have come out with reports forecasting what will happen to premiums, on average, next year. But just what folks will pay for insurance on the individual market depends on a variety of factors. They include the enrollee's income, age, gender, current coverage level and state of residence.

"The average isn't very relevant to any particular person," said Jim O'Connor, principal at consulting firm Milliman, who authored a report on how "Obamacare" will affect premiums.

...

At this point, everyone -- including the insurers -- is just guessing at what premiums should be. That makes next year a giant experiment. Will younger, healthier people purchase coverage, or will they skip it and simply pay the fine? Next year, the fine starts at $95 per adult -- a rate likely to be cheaper than any individual plan available on the state exchanges.


sounds like no one has any idea!

"Having no idea" is much different from what that article says, that projecting the rate increases based off of surveys of insurance providers.

I will now quote from your article:
Obamacare limits the amount insurers can charge older enrollees to three times the amount charged for younger participants. It's now common to see older folks charged five times that of their younger peers.
"Younger people will have to offset costs of those who are older," said Robert Zirkelbach, spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, a lobbying group for insurers.
...
Currently insurers can charge premiums based on gender. Men usually pay less than women, since they typically visit the doctor less frequently. The Affordable Care Act, however, doesn't allow insurers to charge different rates to men and women.
Taken together, men ages 25 to 36 could see rate increases greater than 50%, according to Milliman's O'Connor, but women of the same age will only see their premiums creep up 4%. Meanwhile, men age 60 to 64 could see their premiums drop by 12%.
...
Congrats to the folks on this board, largely young men... if you purchase healthcare individually, or if you lose your job, you'll no longer pay lower insurance costs reflective of your risk.

Thanks Obama.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue May 14, 2013 12:51:56

Remember a few years ago, I predicted (sort of jokingly) that Michelle Bachmann would be the GOP nominee for Pres, and JH said I was nuts, and then she did better than anyone (other than of course me) expected?

Rand Paul is in a lot bettter shape now than Bachmann was when I made that prediction.

I think there's something to be said for the Reps nominating the whitest candidate. And of the leading contenders this time, there is none whiter than Rand Paul. He's not as white as Romney, but he's still pretty white.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Tue May 14, 2013 12:55:28

jerseyhoya wrote:Just another instance of the federal government screwing over younger generations to boost old folks. I hate old people.

In this case, it's just young men.

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