Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Mon May 13, 2013 11:54:31

press conf making it clear Teepertaxgate is a smokescreen for the Benghazi scandal

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon May 13, 2013 16:40:11

The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

Government obtains wide AP phone records in probe

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Mon May 13, 2013 16:44:52

go after them all:
But the particular bias people are angry about is the opposite of the bias they should be angry about. The problem wasn’t that the IRS was skeptical of tea party groups registering as 501(c)4s. It’s that it hasn’t been skeptical of Organizing for America, Crossroads GPS, Priorities USA and Heritage Action Fund registering as 501(c)4s. The IRS should be treating all these groups equally and appropriately — which would mean much more harshly.

Instead, the IRS has permitted 501(c)4s to grow into something monstrous. And if they cower in the aftermath of this embarrassment, it might make matters even worse.

Social welfare organizations have a couple of neat advantages. They’re tax-exempt — which means, in effect, that your tax dollars subsidize them. And thanks to a 1958 court case, they don’t have to disclose their donors.

But they’re not meant to be political. A 2003 IRS document says that “organizations that promote social welfare should primarily promote the common good and general welfare of the people of the community as a whole.” It goes on to give pages and pages of examples. “A corporation organized for the purpose of rehabilitating and placing unemployed persons over a stated age,” for instance. Or “a corporation formed to provide a school district with a stadium.” “A memorial association organized to study and develop methods of achieving simplicity and dignity in funeral and memorial services,” qualifies, as does “an organization that conducts an annual festival centered around regional customs and traditions.”

Nowhere does the IRS mention “an organization formed by top political operatives for the clear and obvious purpose of reelecting or defeating the president.” But that’s what 501(c)4s have become. According to data collected by OpenSecrets.org, 501(c)4s spent $92 million in the 2010 election. They spent $254 million in the 2012 election. That’s a lot of social welfare going to the good people who live in swing states and competitive districts.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon May 13, 2013 16:53:44

Thank you. I want all of those groups heavily scrutinized.

I also don't have any problem with the IRS specifically targeting the exempt status of groups with leadership that disputes the notion that the federal income tax is constitutional (which of course is not the reason they apparently went after the Tea Party groups).

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon May 13, 2013 18:25:54

Seth Meyers

"Donald Trump often appears on Fox, which is ironic, because a Fox often appears on Donald Trump’s head."


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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Wheels Tupay » Mon May 13, 2013 18:32:14

jerseyhoya wrote:
The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

Government obtains wide AP phone records in probe


LOL government agencies are having themselves a week.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Mon May 13, 2013 19:33:20

Doll Is Mine wrote:Seth Meyers

"Donald Trump often appears on Fox, which is ironic, because a Fox often appears on Donald Trump’s head."


:lol:


this is from the correspondent's dinner a couple years ago right?
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby karn » Mon May 13, 2013 19:54:08

jerseyhoya wrote:
The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

Government obtains wide AP phone records in probe

These people are corrupt af. Unreal

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Mon May 13, 2013 20:56:31

from what i can tell, they obtained a subpoena, got hte numbers, then notified the AP. not seeing the scandal, tbh. dont really see a law broken?

the justice dept is terrible, but unless more comes out here, this seems like the least of our worries. seems to me the AP picked a good (read: bad) time for it to come out so it got more attention from the rest of the press.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Mon May 13, 2013 21:15:16

karn wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

Government obtains wide AP phone records in probe

These people are corrupt af. Unreal


wow, the records of outbound calls for "more than 20" mostly general purpose AP phone lines? For 2 whole months? Have we put a tail on G Gordon Liddy yet?

Feels more like Gary Pruitt trying to drum up headlines for his drooping news organization

unreal is one word for it....
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby kruker » Mon May 13, 2013 21:55:47

drsmooth wrote:
karn wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

Government obtains wide AP phone records in probe

These people are corrupt af. Unreal


wow, the records of outbound calls for "more than 20" mostly general purpose AP phone lines? For 2 whole months? Have we put a tail on G Gordon Liddy yet?

Feels more like Gary Pruitt trying to drum up headlines for his drooping news organization

unreal is one word for it....


You do see the issue with this, right?

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Mon May 13, 2013 22:04:35

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby kruker » Mon May 13, 2013 22:13:09



That's some crazy stuff. I used to work for a competitor and I know I'd have gotten castrated if I looked too deeply into what our users were doing. For example, my contract prohibited me from trading any security not held for a minimum of six months because I could see how my clients were balancing their portfolios.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Mon May 13, 2013 22:23:35

kruker wrote:You do see the issue with this, right?



I'm almost 100% positive I "see" it better than you do

and possibly better than you ever will
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby The Dude » Mon May 13, 2013 22:30:51

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby karn » Mon May 13, 2013 22:41:06

wow this thread is something else i'm loving it it's so real and edgy

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon May 13, 2013 23:46:37

Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved with investigating conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear that the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea-party-affiliated groups, the documents show.

IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Tue May 14, 2013 01:42:08

I haven't been following closely, but as I understand, they got a subpoena for the phone numbers of incoming/outgoing calls of a few reporters and the JD didn't need to notify them immediately if it felt doing so may jeopardize the case/investigation (destroy evidence, warn the target(s), etc). Now that they have told them (AP), I wouldn't be surprised to hear about criminal charges being filed against someone that leaked classified intel or something like that.

IIRC, it's because someone outed a CIA asset that was embedded in an Al-Qaeda cell.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue May 14, 2013 06:14:23

Maybe I'm missing something. It would be a terrible thing if they did this with no warrant and/or it turned out to be political or that they went outside the scope of the investigation. That would be right up there, about as bad as it gets. But if they get a warrant, and it appears they did, then I don't see what's wrong as long as they didn't go outside the scope of the investigation. Investigators are allowed to investigate crimes, even when they happen at a news organization. Or am I missing something?

It seems like this stuff is coming out all at once on purpose. There's nothing really like this for years and then it all comes out within a few weeks. Looks like they're trying to get to critical mass on the idea that Obama is abusing his authority. Next he'll be coming for our guns!!! OUR GUNS!!!
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Roger Dorn » Tue May 14, 2013 08:12:57

I think all Presidents abuse their authority, regardless of political affiliation. This isn't news, it happens all the time. The Bush Administration really opened my eyes as to how corrupt the government can be so I'm pretty immune to this stuff.

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