Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:17:34

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:01:58

Werthless wrote:
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jerseyhoya wrote:Obamacare's Deficit Reduction Continues to Unravel - This is very surprising


The Washington Examiner? You're seriously bringing that crap in here? Lies aren't so much surprising as, well, wrong.

The options that most Medicare Advantage participants select include Rx coverage. That reduces overall costs of care for seniors* because it results, essentially, from moving Medicare money around, mostly from hospital coverage to Rx benefits.

Team Obama has shown no reluctance to pivot on a dime on policy when it decided where they were headed was either politically or economically (or both) inadvisable.

I don't expect either you or Philip Klein to understand this stuff. MA and plans of its type were conceived of long ago by conservatives who had an interest in policy & governing. People like Kein - liars like Klein - have another,very small, agenda

*not all Medicare beneficiaries are seniors, but most are, so

Does the GAO lie? That's what his article is based on. Feel free to read the "lies" at its source:

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-13-281


Klein lies out of stupidity, and ulterior motives. his interpretation of the GAO information - seemingly like yours - is determined by what he wants to be true, rather than what is true.

I don't just read about this stuff in august beacons of truth like the Washington Examiner, I work with it. I work with people who design/implement/communicate it. My livelihood, such as it is, depends on my knowing more about this stuff than people like, say, you. So I do.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:13:14

So the GAO is misinformed, when they project that Congress will fail to implement many of the cost measures that would cause the ACA to increase the deficit? Or the intepretation of the report is wrong, and should be ____.

I don't understand all your appeals to authority. I'm not questioning your knowledge, I'm actually trying to figure out why you think the GAO is wrong here. They're not a biased organization.

jerseyhoya: The ACA won't be deficit-neutral, according to this article that cites the investigative arm of Congress (GAO)
doc: LOL at website that the article was found on
me: But the source is GAO and they wouldnt lie
doc: LOL I know everything about this and you know nothing because I eat stacks of GAO reports for sustenance.
me: :q

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:22:44

Just to be clear about the kind of thing that is titanically stupid about this piece with Philip Klein's byline on it:

what WILL bust the budget is just sitting and whining about health care costs and 'those people's' unhealthy behaviors, without doing a thing about them except closing down abortion clinics because they don't have 1,500 square feet of restroom space.

ACA MAY bust it - but doing NOTHING will SURELY bust it.

I'd explain why Klein is clueless about Medicare Advantage, but I would have to take you to the Health Reform thread, which no one goes to
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:56:42

http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/the ... d-20130404

What do cat pictures and GIFs have to do with Republican politics? Not a whole lot, at least right now. But beginning next week, that'll change.

Staffers at the National Republican Congressional Committee are finishing up a site redesign that'll likely be rolled out this weekend. The new NRCC.org does away with all the typical features of a political website, emulating instead the style of the Web juggernaut whose top headlines currently include "10 Easter Bunnies Straight From Hell" and "14 Photos Of George W. Bush Touching Bald Men's Heads."

Yes. They're going to copy BuzzFeed.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Thu Apr 04, 2013 13:09:19

ok, i read the first twenty pages only, but from what i can tell, they are making the assumption that no further action will be taken by congress beyond the 10 year framework put forth by the ACA because they can't make any assumptions . various controls will need to be exteneded and made permanent (provided they work) by congress in order to keep the cost assumptions down in the long-term, and experiments will need to be checked and results will need to be evaluated by future leaders of congress.

this is not the same as arguing that they won't. there's simply no reason or way for them to factor in what a 2020 and beyond congress will do. that makes no sense in a long-term projection for anything.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 15:10:39

ta-nehisi coates on dr. ben carson: He Wears the Mask
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Apr 04, 2013 15:13:59

is NAMBLA real or like a hypothetical everyone uses?

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Bucky » Thu Apr 04, 2013 15:16:02

i don't know, but i wouldn't google it if i were you

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Apr 04, 2013 15:16:33

I guess I'll never know

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 15:17:30

Houshphandzadeh wrote:is NAMBLA real or like a hypothetical everyone uses?

Bucky wrote:i don't know, but i wouldn't google it if i were you

this was my exact reaction as well
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Apr 04, 2013 18:19:28

Like North Korea, Exxon is trying to prevent any media coverage that includes photographs of its Mayflower spill.

However, since Arkansas isn't North Korea, it's not really working well, and probably making things worse for Exxon.

http://www.ualrpublicradio.org/post/med ... A.facebook

http://epaosc.org/site/image_list.aspx?site_id=8502

Be Bold!

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 04, 2013 22:58:05

i'd dip their (exxon's) balls in it

then light a match
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:52:27

Unemployment rate drops! Down to 7.6%, because half a million dropped out of the labor force. :(

Interesting: Record low labor force participation rate for males 25+.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:53:45

last two months were revised upward, this one probably will be too.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:57:40

Thta's a relief.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:07:38

speaking of relief...

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:23:01

Werthless wrote:Thta's a relief.



just saying since you only want to point out the negative.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:53:46

CalvinBall wrote:
Werthless wrote:Thta's a relief.

just saying since you only want to point out the negative.

In the last 12 months, the previous two month jobs numbers have net been revised up 6 times and down 6 times (though the average revision is positive as the upward revisions have been a bit bigger than the downward ones). Don't know that there's any systemic reason to expect upward revision. Doesn't seem to be a pattern as to whether the positive revisions occur on weak job # months or strong ones.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby allentown » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:21:12

Werthless wrote:
what, a poor person can't go bowling once in a while?

in any event, once it's in their hands, it's their money. that's my view.

Studies have shown that giving cash has a larger effect on quality of life in the recipient than receiving "restricted" benefits. So I'm very sympathetic to this view, that we should just implement a negative income tax and wipe our hands of over-engineering outcomes.

However, the moral justification used to support these transfer payments relies on the fact that the money should be spent to contribute to certain positive societal outcomes. It's harder to justify transfers that can be used on bowling.

And really, if the scope of the problem is so tiny (0.09%), then I don't understand why there would be opposition to a change. If it eliminates mis-informed perceptions, then it may contribute to the longer-term health of the funding.

I agree. A lot of the various restricted programs aren't even counted in determining poverty rate and require separate adminstrations. It is silly and wasteful to have separate programs for food, heating, housing assistance, telephone service, utilities, medical, etc., etc.
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