Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 09:52:38

maddow made the point last night that both sides were riled up by the pres' "really liberal" inauguration speech, obviously for different reasons, but that a lot (most?) of those ideas poll at 50% or higher in the country right now (gay rights, gun restrictions, abortion, etc)
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Jan 25, 2013 09:56:26

“This is coming to me from not just my Republican constituents,” added Carrico, whose district voted overwhelmingly for Republican Mitt Romney in last year’s presidential election. “I want to be a voice for a region that feels they have no reason to come to the polls.”


He says that as though discouraging them from going to the polls is a bad thing.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:23:47

hmmm
As the American soft-drink industry argued its case in court on Wednesday against Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s restrictions on sugary drink sizes, a prominent local group stood by its side: the New York chapter of the N.A.A.C.P.

The obesity rate for African-Americans in New York City is higher than the city average, and city health department officials say minority neighborhoods would be among the key beneficiaries of a rule that would limit the sale of super-size, calorie-laden beverages.


But the N.A.A.C.P. has close ties to big soft-drink companies, particularly Coca-Cola, whose longtime Atlanta law firm, King & Spalding, wrote the amicus brief filed by the civil rights group in support of a lawsuit aimed at blocking Mr. Bloomberg’s soda rules, which are set to take effect in March.

Coca-Cola has also donated tens of thousands of dollars to a health education program, Project HELP, developed by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. The brief describes that program, but not the financial contributions of the beverage company. The brief was filed jointly with another organization, the Hispanic Federation, whose former president, Lillian Rodríguez López, recently took a job at Coca-Cola.

A spokesperson said that 'nobody buys the NAACP'. Maybe not, but they sure can rent it.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Soren » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:30:02

pacino wrote:A spokesperson said that 'nobody buys the NAACP'. Maybe not, but they sure can rent it.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:41:04

carl winslow is shocked and chagrined at my racially-charged comments
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Bucky » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:42:32

I was thoroughly OK with the soft drink ban, but then I started to think it through a little longer. I would hazard a guess that there are Moms out there who buy a 64oz big gulp and then divvy it up amongst their multiple kids. So now, instead of paying $1.49 for a super big gulp, they'd have to pay 4x$0.99 for four of the largest fountain drinks. I'm not saying that this may not encourage that mom to go with water, but I think there's more to it than meets the eye.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:43:18

cheap sugary foods keep poor people fat
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Soren » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:44:46

td11 wrote:cheap sugary foods keep poor people fat


and keeping poor people fat keeps them from rising the ranks socially and keeps them in debt medically
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Bucky » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:45:30

...and my hypothesis is the the ban could help keep them poor, too

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:46:50

Mercury treaty adopted:
Swiss and other European leaders this week hailed the adoption of a U.N.-backed global treaty, known as the Minamata Convention, curbing releases of mercury.

The treaty was approved by 147 governments Saturday at a forum in Geneva, Switzerland, bringing praise from the European Union, Ireland, Switzerland and other European supporters.

The Minamata Convention on Mercury -- named after the Japanese city where the Chisso Corp. discharged mercury-tainted water into the ocean over several decades causing serious health problems -- calls for new controls and reductions across a range of products, processes and industries where mercury is used, released or emitted.

Under its terms, the countries agreed to ban mercury in thermometers, batteries and energy-saving light bulbs by 2020, the U.N. Environment Program said.

Damn, all these enviro regulations being enacted go into full effect in 2020. 2021 is gonna be sweet.

coal is responsible for 25% of all mercury pollution, fwiw.
From the UN website:
[The new reductions] range from medical equipment such as thermometers and energy-saving light bulbs to the mining, cement and coal-fired power sectors.
The treaty, which has been four years in negotiation and which will be open for signature at a special meeting in Japan in October, also addresses the direct mining of mercury, export and import of the metal and safe storage of waste mercury. …
Mercury and its various compounds have a range of serious health impacts including brain and neurological damage especially among the young.
Others include kidney damage and damage to the digestive system. Victims can suffer memory loss and language impairment alongside many other well documented problems


The US has adopted it, in theory, but I guess it now goes to the Senate where some Senators will no doubt grandstand about UN-control this and fake global warming that.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:59:38

Dick Codey is taking a pass. So it seems like it's down to Sweeney as far as potential challengers to Buono go for the nomination. I think Codey would've been Christie's second toughest opponent after Booker.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:07:25

jerseyhoya wrote:Dick Codey is taking a pass. So it seems like it's down to Sweeney as far as potential challengers to Buono go for the nomination. I think Codey would've been Christie's second toughest opponent after Booker.


I'm reminded of the teams that jostled for the opportunity to lose handily to Bill Walton's UCLA in the NCAA tournament way back when
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:11:09

Bucky wrote:...and my hypothesis is the the ban could help keep them poor, too


it's a good one, bucky. but there is substantial evidence to suggest that the cheapest foods are often the unhealthiest (i.e. sugar-iest for the most part).

i dunno. banning 64oz sodas might sound worse than it actually is on the face of it because i don't think there is enough education about just how much damage they can do, esp to younger kids. the FDA has never even set a %daily amount of sugar that you should intake in your diet. in the long run, the health benefits likely outweigh the short-term money saving.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:14:17

pacino wrote:A spokesperson said that 'nobody buys the NAACP'. Maybe not, but they sure can rent it.

pacino recognizing the awfulness of the racial grievance lobby

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:17:27

jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:A spokesperson said that 'nobody buys the NAACP'. Maybe not, but they sure can rent it.

pacino recognizing the awfulness of the racial grievance lobby

more like recognizing hte awfulness of our system where we allow lobbies/politicians to be bought and sold as if they were penny candy (penny candy reference!), regardless of the race of those in the lobby
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:18:39

td11 wrote:
Bucky wrote:...and my hypothesis is the the ban could help keep them poor, too


it's a good one, bucky. but there is substantial evidence to suggest that the cheapest foods are often the unhealthiest (i.e. sugar-iest for the most part).

i dunno. banning 64oz sodas might sound worse than it actually is on the face of it because i don't think there is enough education about just how much damage they can do, esp to younger kids. the FDA has never even set a %daily amount of sugar that you should intake in your diet. in the long run, the health benefits likely outweigh the short-term money saving.

the good thing about it is it forces politicians to provide competing solutions that are more sweeping and effective in the long-term, and forces conversations about healthy eating habits in households to commence.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:19:08

sigh

edit: @ "racial grievance lobby"
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Soren » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:24:56

jh is about as tone deaf to his own insensitivities as the rest of his party mates are
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:25:34

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:25:55

I guess i'm not understanding the energetic deriding of a rights organization that gets bought off by the sugar lobby by someone with not really a peep to say about essentially the entire political apparatus of the United States, but especially the faction that sanctimoniously proclaims its "ownership" of "freedom", being suckered for decades by the murder weapons lobby.
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