pacino wrote:the right to work, for less. less pensions, less healthcare coverage, less wages.

thephan wrote:So Bohner's offer was permanent tax cuts... that's negotiating.

Pole dancers have POTUS at 49% approval and Bohner at 25% for Fiscal Cliff negotiations. Bloomberg has 65% yes and 33% no for raising taxes on the wealthy.

Trent Franks says he does not comment on negotiations, then he does. Says that the president is out of touch and that the senate is recalcitrant on matters of doing what the people want. <um, ok>

So if the Republican's are lacking leverage in the senate and due to the president's margin of victory, who is out of touch?

thephan wrote:So Bohner's offer was permanent tax cuts... that's negotiating.

Pole dancers have POTUS at 49% approval and Bohner at 25% for Fiscal Cliff negotiations. Bloomberg has 65% yes and 33% no for raising taxes on the wealthy.

Trent Franks says he does not comment on negotiations, then he does. Says that the president is out of touch and that the senate is recalcitrant on matters of doing what the people want. <um, ok>

So if the Republican's are lacking leverage in the senate and due to the president's margin of victory, who is out of touch?

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:You're talking about a party whose mouthpiece (Fox News) is now pushing the idea that Obama is out of touch because 89% of Americans want spending cuts, inferring (I guess) that he has taken spending cuts off the table or something.

thephan wrote:

pacino wrote:the right to work, for less. less pensions, less healthcare coverage, less wages.

The following view is around knowledge services where the employer bills hourly, not manufacturing as I do not have expertise in manufacturing.

I would add less compensation. The divide between wages and compensation is that, yes the same job pays less in today's dollars, but the productivity measure is demonstrating how much work (really hours) are put in for the same wages. First it was a 60 hour a week expectation, then more like 80 and now really as much seat time as you can tolerate. Nights, weekends, etc. In the final accounting there is a huge drop off of actual accomplishment when you get into the 60 hours a week area (but your billing) and when you get out there to 80 - 100, the amount of resentment bred starts to equalize the accomplishments to a little more then the 60 hour mark (but you are still billing). Out there at 100 you are dealing with 7 days a week (6x15 + 10).

Worse of all, in the mode of replacability, if the employer can find a cheaper resource that can be almost as productive which they can retain the rate to the customer, then all the commitment to the demands of the job can lead to a termination. The expertise of the employee being released is lost, but if the rate is retained, then it matters little to the employer. Over time this either erodes the value of the services being provided or leads to a lesser end result that becomes the accepted.

mozartpc27 wrote:
This Michigan horseshit is so upsetting I can't deal with it rationally, so I haven't even tried to discuss it on here. Right to be fired, etc.

On Tuesday, lawmakers also approved a bill that would bar insurance plans from covering abortion services unless employers attach an additional rider.

That’s not all. On Wednesday, the House considered a bill that critics call a TRAP law—meaning Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers. This one would impose severe new regulations on abortion clinics, possibly shutting down several of them. Similar legislation may soon effectively ban abortion in the state of Mississippi by making it impossible for the state’s only clinic to operate—an outcome which one lawmaker admitted was his goal all along.

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But there’s more than just reproductive rights at stake: On Wednesday, House Republicans are also taking up SB 878, which would allow a privately run youth correctional facility to house adult inmates, thereby expanding Michigan’s privately-run incarceration infrastructure.

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Lastly, the House may consider banning the use of “foreign laws that would impair constitutional rights”—what critics say amounts to an effort to vilify Islam by targeting “Shariah Law”.

td11 wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:
This Michigan #$!&@ is so upsetting I can't deal with it rationally, so I haven't even tried to discuss it on here. Right to be fired, etc.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/12/12/not-just ... ght-bills/

On Tuesday, lawmakers also approved a bill that would bar insurance plans from covering abortion services unless employers attach an additional rider.

That’s not all. On Wednesday, the House considered a bill that critics call a TRAP law—meaning Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers. This one would impose severe new regulations on abortion clinics, possibly shutting down several of them. Similar legislation may soon effectively ban abortion in the state of Mississippi by making it impossible for the state’s only clinic to operate—an outcome which one lawmaker admitted was his goal all along.

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But there’s more than just reproductive rights at stake: On Wednesday, House Republicans are also taking up SB 878, which would allow a privately run youth correctional facility to house adult inmates, thereby expanding Michigan’s privately-run incarceration infrastructure.

...

Lastly, the House may consider banning the use of “foreign laws that would impair constitutional rights”—what critics say amounts to an effort to vilify Islam by targeting “Shariah Law”.

TenuredVulture wrote:Makes me glad that Arkansas's legislature only meets every other year (though they do a new budget every year) and is supposed to have only a 60 day legislative session. Even though they typically go over that, they usually go home after 90 days, and they don't have any of this lame duck #$!&@, limiting the mischief they can do.

pacino wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:Makes me glad that Arkansas's legislature only meets every other year (though they do a new budget every year) and is supposed to have only a 60 day legislative session. Even though they typically go over that, they usually go home after 90 days, and they don't have any of this lame duck #$!&@, limiting the mischief they can do.

PA's legislature has been in session exactly six days since June.

Monkeyboy wrote:This is why Reps targeted state governments over the past 20 years while dems were focusing more on national races. A lot of changes can be done at the state level, including doing things that will help win national elections (such as the mischief in Ohio that was fortunately stopped by the courts).

Of course, with all the gerrymandering, it may be hard to reverse the tide.