Swiggers wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:The Senate losses (ND and MT specifically) are somehow more depressing and surprising than the presidential election, which was close enough. The GOP needs to work harder to appeal to minority voters and young people and all that, but we couldn't even win races in Republican states where we had decent candidates.

Having some friends and relatives who are politically involved in MT, I get the sense that in the coming years it will be more like CO politically and less like ID, ND, WY, etc. It's a light purple state now, with the potential to become dark purple.

Werthless wrote:

pacino wrote:bad business owner fires 22 workers because obama won:

“I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office that the regulations for Obamacare are gonna hurt our business, and I’m gonna have to make provisions to make sure I have enough money to cover the payroll taxes, the additional health care I’m gonna have to do, and I explained that to them and I said you do what you feel like in your heart you need to do, but I’m just letting you know as a warning this is things I have to think of as a business owner.

“Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic — I’m not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees — well unfortunately we know what happened and I can’t wait around anymore, I have to be proactive. I had to lay off 22 people today to make sure that my business is gonna thrive and I’m gonna be around for years to come. I have to build up that nest egg now for the taxes and regulations that are coming my way. Elections do have consequences, but so do choices. A choice you make every day has consequences and you know what, I’ve always put my employees first, but unfortunately today I have to put me and my family first, and you watch what’s gonna happen. I’m just one guy with 114 employees — well was 114 employees — watch what happens in the next six months. The Dow alone lost 314 points today. There’s a tsunami coming and if you didn’t think this election had consequences, just wait.”

so his demand didn't instantly go down, but he cut down his supply instantly. what a fucking simpleton.

hurt your business on purpose and then blame obama for it. jesus christ.

The implementation of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act is now more likely to stand up with Obama's re-election. This is a reasonable conclusion that many have made. Knowing nothing about his business, it sounds like his margins are very low... some type of construction or lawncare business? if he is making less than $2k profit for each employee he hires, some of these employees may soon be costing him money.

Businesses with 50 or more employees must provide health insurance or pay a penalty. If the business fails to comply, the penalty is $2,000 for each full-time employee (with a 30-employee deduction.) Additionally, if the coverage offered is too expensive (defined as costing more than 9.5 percent of the employee’s household income), the penalty is $3,000 per employee who must buy insurance with a government subsidy.

Many businesses don't staff just based off the demand; these types of companies can quickly change their prices if they are busy/idle, and employment levels are kept as stable as possible to avoid morale problems. "Cutting his supply instantly" simpleton analysis is very ignorant, given what little we know about the business. For all we know, he could have been treading water, making very little money, and the addition of $200,000 in costs has challenged him to re-examine his business model. A reciprocal story could very easily be written about a business owner being unwilling to lay off workers because he cares so much for them and their families.

jerseyhoya wrote:Democratic areas tend to be more Democratic than Republican areas are Republican.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Long been predisposed to dislike Chris Matthews because he went to LaSalle, but I would hit him in the face with a baseball bat without any qualms at all. What a fucking cap on an embarrassing 5 year run for him.

What was this about?

My guess is jh is one of those angry old white guys we keep hearing about lately.

ek wrote:i think the matthews thing was about something he said on air about hurricane sandy that offended people.

pacino wrote:

Werthless wrote:

pacino wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Have you guys ever watched Fox News or listened to conservative talk radio and heard them talk about moderate Republicans?

Oh, they certainly will rip a Republican going against another Republican, or holding up right-wing legislation. But Hannity and Rush would vociferously cheerlead for a complete moron facing a competent Democrat. I can't really see Maddow doing that.

moderate republicans are now independents. the idea of a moderate republican is a myth as this point.

Wait, I thought there were no independents? Now you're telling me that moderate republicans are independents? Make up your mind!

they vote republican. there are not people that vote back and forth all the time. you are a republican, are you not? are you registered as one? many who think like you are registered as independent.

i dont believe in the idea of the 'independent' as someone that is all that swayable.

Werthless wrote:The implementation of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act is now more likely to stand up with Obama's re-election. This is a reasonable conclusion that many have made. Knowing nothing about his business, it sounds like his margins are very low... some type of construction or lawncare business? if he is making less than $2k profit for each employee he hires, some of these employees may soon be costing him money.
..."Cutting his supply instantly" simpleton analysis is very ignorant, given what little we know about the business. For all we know, he could have been treading water, making very little money, and the addition of $200,000 in costs has challenged him to re-examine his business model. A reciprocal story could very easily be written about a business owner being unwilling to lay off workers because he cares so much for them and their families.

A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.

“David” (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons)

Doll Is Mine wrote:Chris Matthews was delirious from exhaustion at 3AM. The guy said something stupid and he sincerely apologized for it the very next day. It's a non-issue.

Swiggers wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:The Senate losses (ND and MT specifically) are somehow more depressing and surprising than the presidential election, which was close enough. The GOP needs to work harder to appeal to minority voters and young people and all that, but we couldn't even win races in Republican states where we had decent candidates.

Having some friends and relatives who are politically involved in MT, I get the sense that in the coming years it will be more like CO politically and less like ID, ND, WY, etc. It's a light purple state now, with the potential to become dark purple.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:It's par for the course with Matthews--rarely thinking before he speaks. The 3am delirium only removed the modicum of self-restraint that he normally manages to employ.

swishnicholson wrote:Or he's simply lying to make a point because he's angry. ffs, everybody

Doll Is Mine wrote:I imagine every Democrat running for President in the future will thank their lucky stars for Montana's 3 electoral votes.

Doll Is Mine wrote:Rich people are crybabies.

Werthless wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:Or he's simply lying to make a point because he's angry. ffs, everybody

I don't think he's firing people to hurt his business, as pacino suggests.
I don't think his business is particularly profitable.
I think his business could barely support the 114 employees he had.
The ACA will affect his business adversely as it gets implemented.

While I'm not talking about swish, I don't understand why liberals assert that this law will not affect businesses. It will, and the whole point is that it's worth it. The law is saying that a business with 100 full-time employees without health coverage should pay $200,000 in annual fines. It's crazy to assume it won't affect anyone. People are free to judge those owners who decide to talk to the media about it, obviously. That's not my style, but he's probably been pissed about the effect it's going to have on his business, and was not looking forward to laying off his workers.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

ek wrote:forgive me as i don't know who this is (maddow) but she is clearly bias and that's really pretty crappy. news channels like msnbc and cnn and fox should not pander to a certain party. but i know they do. i just don't like it.

Rachel Maddow doesn't pretend to be anything but a liberal who roots for Democrats. She is however fair and will criticize Democrats if she disagrees with them, which she has done with Obama on occasion.