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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 02, 2012 23:17:32

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 23:31:32

I don't understand why it is Florida that always winds up with ballot designs from like 1972 no matter what year it is.

Also, I am so over 2012. Yes We Can!
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Nov 03, 2012 02:25:58

MSNBC, more partisan than Fox

Not surprising at all

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Nov 03, 2012 03:04:09

Man, without the daily methadone of GALLUP, polls have become very, very depressing.

Think if I was gun to head needing to pick the EC vote right now I'd go 303-235 Obama. On the other hand PPP is still spitting out an even race nationally as they tell us Obama is willing by 5-7% in every swing state, so something funky is going on. WaPo/ABC has it even nationally too. Really hard to see these swing states becoming blowouts - there's nothing in the safe states to explain the discrepancy. And we're still winning in our internals in Ohio. So who the fuck knows. Just give me a few glimmers going into election day, nationally and/or state polling wise.

Personal expectations are way down from a week ago, though I'm not sure how much of that is just me having a shitty week and projecting. Seems like the national polls shifted away a tad, and the state polls stagnated, but that might have something to do with who was polling and who wasn't.

The one legitimate bright spot was Barone sticking his neck out today for Romney (315-223). Landslide relatively speaking. He's a bit of a partisan, but he's smart as shit. The secondary bright spot is GOP campaign professionals really, legitimately think we're gonna win. How much is lying to yourself to make all the effort seem worth it vs. reality is an open question, I guess, but it's not made up.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby philliesphhan » Sat Nov 03, 2012 04:19:08

jerseyhoya wrote:MSNBC, more partisan than Fox

Not surprising at all


They've been trying to be a liberal answer to Fox News for a while now. Not sure why they thought that would be a good idea. Oh, right, ratings more important than news. Not that they're even winning that battle.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 03, 2012 07:47:09

jerseyhoya wrote:MSNBC, more partisan than Fox

Not surprising at all


That a half-assed opinion piece ran in the Baltimore Sun?
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby cshort » Sat Nov 03, 2012 08:40:24

8:30 am robocalls? WTF?
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Nov 03, 2012 08:41:19

philliesphhan wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:MSNBC, more partisan than Fox

Not surprising at all


They've been trying to be a liberal answer to Fox News for a while now. Not sure why they thought that would be a good idea. Oh, right, ratings more important than news. Not that they're even winning that battle.


First off, looks like the guy spent five minutes writing that.

Secondly, they don't need to win the battle. They still make a ton if money.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Bucky » Sat Nov 03, 2012 08:42:38

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Nov 03, 2012 08:42:48

jerseyhoya wrote:Man, without the daily methadone of GALLUP, polls have become very, very depressing.

Think if I was gun to head needing to pick the EC vote right now I'd go 303-235 Obama. On the other hand PPP is still spitting out an even race nationally as they tell us Obama is willing by 5-7% in every swing state, so something funky is going on. WaPo/ABC has it even nationally too. Really hard to see these swing states becoming blowouts - there's nothing in the safe states to explain the discrepancy. And we're still winning in our internals in Ohio. So who the fuck knows. Just give me a few glimmers going into election day, nationally and/or state polling wise.

Personal expectations are way down from a week ago, though I'm not sure how much of that is just me having a shitty week and projecting. Seems like the national polls shifted away a tad, and the state polls stagnated, but that might have something to do with who was polling and who wasn't.

The one legitimate bright spot was Barone sticking his neck out today for Romney (315-223). Landslide relatively speaking. He's a bit of a partisan, but he's smart as shit. The secondary bright spot is GOP campaign professionals really, legitimately think we're gonna win. How much is lying to yourself to make all the effort seem worth it vs. reality is an open question, I guess, but it's not made up.


How do you know what their internals say? In the past you have said friends tell you. If they were actually losing why would they want to tell you that?

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Nov 03, 2012 08:57:07

Christie was romneys first choice for vp per politico. No idea why that was leaked now.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby uncle milt » Sat Nov 03, 2012 09:17:13

lolz dude's such a dork

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Nov 03, 2012 09:20:00

phdave wrote:How about filibuster reform? Reid should push for it no matter who gets elected.


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By Greg Sargent [Washington Post]

Here’s another reason to be cautiously optimistic about the way the political winds are blowing: With Dems seemingly on track to hang on to the Senate — and with Obama’s electoral edge perhaps holding — the prospects are brightening for an overhaul of the filibuster.

Senator Jeff Merkley, the co-author of a package of filibuster reforms, has secured commitments from nine leading Dem Senate candidates to throw themselves behind fixing the filibuster if they are elected.

Merkley is circulating an email raising money for the nine Senators, who include Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Baldwin, Martin Heinrich, Tim Kaine and Heidi Heitkamp. “These nine candidates running for the Senate right now have committed to helping me fix the broken Senate by reforming the filibuster,” the email says.

If Dems do hold the Senate, we could be looking at a more progressive Democratic caucus next year, thanks to this year’s crop of unexpectedly solid progressive candidates. This could result in more pressure on the Dem leadership to actually go through with reform.

Merkley is calling for reforms that, among other things, would force the filibustering party to play a much more public role in obstructing the majority — perhaps making it politically less appetizing. The Senate has already adopted one proposed reform, the elimination of the secret hold.

This spring, Harry Reid caused a stir when he said he’d finally seen the light on the need for real reform. Republicans are skeptical that Reid is serious about changing the filibuster, and there’s some grounds for that skepticism. However, it’s also possible that the unprecedented GOP obstructionism of the last four years may have persuaded Reid, as David Dayen put it recently, that the Senate has become a “super majority institution” that is “governed by a tyranny of the minority” and is “horrendously broken.”

Obviously Mitt Romney could still be elected president, and take along enough Republicans to give GOP control of the Senate. If Dems lose the White House and hold the Senate, their appetite for filibuster reform may well diminish. But if Dems hold both the White House and the Upper Chamber, reform may become a real possibility. It would be an ironic outcome if the very plot hatched by GOP leaders to deny Obama a second term — abusing the rules and rendering the institution dysfunctional to turn his presidency into a failure — is what finally created the political will among Dems to take steps towards ending such dysfunction and abuse for good.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Nov 03, 2012 09:34:09

I would rather see you lose than win myself

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Nov 03, 2012 09:43:07

Should we have a new thread now and a separate one for election results? Or just new one now that will be used for results too in three days?

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Sat Nov 03, 2012 09:57:19

msnbc has a republican congressman host a 3 hour morning show for the DC elite. it is a station owned by GE.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:46:28

President Obama is now better than a 4-in-5 favorite to win the Electoral College, according to the FiveThirtyEight forecast. His chances of winning it increased to 83.7 percent on Friday, his highest figure since the Denver debate and improved from 80.8 percent on Thursday.


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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:54:10

The thought occurs to me that if Obama wins, it will only be because most people are biased towards him.
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