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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby dajafi » Fri Nov 02, 2012 16:22:41

If you click through jh's post, you'll see he clowned you guys.

Though to be fair--almost certainly fairer than any of them deserve--there's a way to reconcile what Romney says and what Reid says. Romney is promising to "reach out" to Senate Democrats, implying that he'll search for some middle ground; Reid is saying that they reject the "Tea Party" agenda. That said, I can't imagine that Romney--or actually Ryan, whom I suspect would be in charge there--would offer anything *but* the agenda of the House Republicans over the last two years. Reid damn well should reject that entirely.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 16:23:43

correction, only moz was clowned :-D
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Nov 02, 2012 16:30:59

td11 wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:McConnell says Senate Republicans will block Obama's agenda if he's reelected.


Circling the wagons? Trying to frighten people to vote for Romney?

Seems like an odd thing for him to say at this moment. Optics aren't great, either because Obama II is inevitable and it makes the Rs look petulant, or because Obama is on the ropes and it looks like sort of trying a "threat" as a "Vote Romney" plug.


moz you might wanna check the link out, it's about harry reid saying that senate dems will block romney's agenda when he's in office. pretty sure jerz was being facetious here, trying to draw a parallel to the mcconell comment from 2010.

“Mitt Romney’s fantasy that Senate Democrats will work with him to pass his ‘severely conservative’ agenda is laughable,” Reid said in a statement. “In fact, Mitt Romney’s Tea Party agenda has already been rejected in the Senate. In the past few months, we have voted down many of the major policies that Mitt Romney has run on, from the Ryan plan to end Medicare as we know it, to the Blunt Amendment to deny women access to contraception, to more tax giveaways for millionaires and billionaires, to a draconian spending plan that would gut critical services for seniors and the most vulnerable Americans.”


maybe just me, but this is not the same as saying "our #1 goal is to make sure he's a one term president"

It is. At least McConnell watched him try and govern for two years before saying it.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 16:38:38

reid probably took a look at mitt's job approval #s as MA governor

Code: Select all
Date Approval Disapproval 
Feb. 2003 56% 23% 
June 2003 56% 36% 
Sep. 2003 61% 36% 
Nov. 2003 66% 33%
April 2004 58% 40% 
Sep. 2004 55% 44% 
March 2005 50% 37% 
Aug. 2005 50% 40% 
March 2006 46% 47%   
June 2006 39% 56% 
Nov. 2006 34% 65% 
Dec. 2006 39% 59%
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Nov 02, 2012 16:40:17

NJ: You’ve been studying the history of presidents who lost part or all of Congress in their first term. Why?

McConnell: In the last 100 years, three presidents suffered big defeats in Congress in their first term and then won reelection: Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, and the most recent example, Bill Clinton. I read a lot of history anyway, but I am trying to apply those lessons to current situations in hopes of not making the same mistakes.

NJ: What have you learned?

McConnell: After 1994, the public had the impression we Republicans overpromised and underdelivered. We suffered from some degree of hubris and acted as if the president was irrelevant and we would roll over him. By the summer of 1995, he was already on the way to being reelected, and we were hanging on for our lives.

NJ: What does this mean now?

McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, “Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job.”

NJ: What’s the job?

McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

NJ: Does that mean endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president?

McConnell: If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he’s willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it’s not inappropriate for us to do business with him.

NJ: What are the big issues?

McConnell: It is possible the president’s advisers will tell him he has to do something to get right with the public on his levels of spending and [on] lowering the national debt. If he were to heed that advice, he would, I imagine, find more support among our conference than he would among some in the Senate in his own party. I don’t want the president to fail; I want him to change. So, we’ll see. The next move is going to be up to him.

The National Journal interview excerpt via the Washington Post since the interview is deep behind a National Journal paywall.

He doubled down - and expanded on his thoughts - later on

“Let’s start with the big picture. Over the past week, some have said it was indelicate of me to suggest that our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term in office. But the fact is, if our primary legislative goals are to repeal and replace the health spending bill; to end the bailouts; cut spending; and shrink the size and scope of government, the only way to do all these things it is to put someone in the White House who won’t veto any of these things. We can hope the President will start listening to the electorate after Tuesday’s election. But we can’t plan on it. And it would be foolish to expect that Republicans will be able to completely reverse the damage Democrats have done as long as a Democrat holds the veto pen.”

If you've spent the last few years complaining about what McConnell said and think what Reid said is fine, you might want to have a think on that.

I'm fine with both. They're under no obligation to pass legislation they feel is harmful to the country's interests and ought to obstruct it if they think it will be damaging. If the obstruction is unpopular, they'll face the music come election time.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 16:50:01

that completely ignores the fact that the parts of the president's agenda that the house GOP has obstructed are things that were considered centrist and even conservative in some cases just a few years ago. whereas reid is saying that the senate dems will block any and all batshit crazy legislation that a house GOP votes through (like the five thousand abortion bills since 2010)
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby dajafi » Fri Nov 02, 2012 16:54:39

Did McConnell sign the Norquist pledge? If he outsourced his judgment to that fanatic, I give him no credit at all, because it means he's less concerned about the country's finances than avoiding the horror of rich people having to return to Clinton-era tax rates. Norquist and his movement are the single biggest obstacle to compromise in Congress, to the point where if Obama wins, we really will have to go over the cliff so the Rs can vote to lower some taxes, thus remaining technically in compliance. Which is total fucking madness.

There's a middle ground here. I don't think Tom Coburn is generally considered a squish or a RINO, and he holds a lot of positions I deplore. But he also seems to grasp that representative democracy requires moves other than "never, ever compromise until the other side collapses and gives you everything you want." I'd pretty much be fine letting him and Dick Durbin figure it out.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby phdave » Fri Nov 02, 2012 17:00:49

How about filibuster reform? Reid should push for it no matter who gets elected.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Nov 02, 2012 18:23:03

Mitt Romney is promising to increase the current job creation rate per month by 33 percent. Aiming for the stars!

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 18:23:17

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Nov 02, 2012 19:49:36

Obama is conducting robo polling calls in PA. Just got one.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby cshort » Fri Nov 02, 2012 19:51:58

I'm popular tonight. Mitt Romney and Clint Eastwood both called me.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby momadance » Fri Nov 02, 2012 20:14:39

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Excited to vote for him for Governor in 5 years.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 02, 2012 20:36:23

dajafi wrote:Did McConnell sign the Norquist pledge?


That ol' sacka owl poop shore did

(it should be noted that Norquist's website may be the worst anything of anything that has ever been on any internet).

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby threecount » Fri Nov 02, 2012 21:00:24

My gut feeling at this time is that Obama will still win this thing..

Yes, of course polls can and have been wrong..but today, he leads in 10 out of 11 swing state polls, and there is no way I can see Romney winning Pennsylvania..

I don't put my faith in too many polls, but I over the past two years, I can't see one poll that has consistently showed Romeny ahead in the Electoral College, while Obama seems to have always hovered around the 290-mark.

The DNC tonight said they are really confident in getting Virginia now, which is a huge firewall to keep Romney from getting to 270. They have early voting on Saturday there, and are having Bill Clinton speak and Dave Matthews perform out in the Manassas area which will bring many young people to the polls that same day.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 02, 2012 21:28:56

Is timing everything?

VP Ryan? Prof. Ryan? GOP nominee's future unclear

The Free Press promises a similar article on Biden's plans "in the coming days". Wonder if it will run before Tuesday
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 02, 2012 22:16:38

voting in Florida this year? You should probably begin filling out your ballot now (this sample's been helpfully pre-filled by a partisan).

Now when you see those lines of people waiting to vote in FL, you'll understand what the holdup is

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 02, 2012 22:21:24

yes, and the great ol gov refused to extend voting times. hours of waiting for EARLY voting, let alone what will happen on election day.

what a joke
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Nov 02, 2012 22:45:06

That ballot is shit.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 02, 2012 22:47:57

CalvinBall wrote:That ballot is #$!&@.

come on, if everyone doesnt understand every single proposition on there word for word, they shouldnt be able to vote, amirite?!
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