hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

by **Soren** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:45:01

I'd characterize that as fair.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:46:28

Let's not be obtuse by suggesting that Romney didn't have political as well as humanitarian motives.

by **drsmooth** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:49:14

Michael Brown giving advice on response to natural disasters?

Good of him to remind us all he was an actual thing

by **td11** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:51:09

drsmooth wrote:
Michael Brown giving advice on response to natural disasters?
Good of him to remind us all he was an actual thing

a natural disaster?

by **drsmooth** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:53:07

jerseyhoya wrote:RichmondPhilsFan called him a scumbag. I dunno. You guys are kinda becoming unhinged if you're giving people shit for trying to help out.

His shit's getting in the way, is all

C'mon, it's funny. He hasn't actually hurt anyone yet

by **jerseyhoya** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:54:01

JFLNYC wrote:Let's not be obtuse by suggesting that Romney didn't have political as well as humanitarian motives.

Of course he did. He's a politician running for president, and we're voting in 6 days.

Is Obama in NJ today for purely humanitarian reasons? He's not a scumbag; he's just doing his job, which involves photo ops. Running for president involves photo ops and public relations stuff.

Oh no Romney's doing something nice what an asshole! He's trying to look good! Fuck him!

by **jamiethekiller** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:54:04

td11 wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
Michael Brown giving advice on response to natural disasters?
Good of him to remind us all he was an actual thing

a natural disaster?

by **drsmooth** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:54:43

td11 wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
Michael Brown giving advice on response to natural disasters?
Good of him to remind us all he was an actual thing

a natural disaster?

An asstual disaster?

by **td11** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:55:09

right now both campaigns are making it seem like the early voting numbers favor them.

by **td11** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:56:26

jerseyhoya wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Let's not be obtuse by suggesting that Romney didn't have political as well as humanitarian motives.

Of course he did. He's a politician running for president, and we're voting in 6 days.

Is Obama in NJ today for purely humanitarian reasons? He's not a scumbag; he's just doing his job, which involves photo ops. Running for president involves photo ops and public relations stuff.

Oh no Romney's doing something nice what an asshole! He's trying to look good! Fuck him!

we overreact, you overreact, everyone overreacts. it's as if it were the last 2 minutes of a tie game between eagles-giants

by **drsmooth** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:57:09

jerseyhoya wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Let's not be obtuse by suggesting that Romney didn't have political as well as humanitarian motives.

Of course he did. He's a politician running for president, and we're voting in 6 days.

Is Obama in NJ today for purely humanitarian reasons? He's not a scumbag; he's just doing his job, which involves photo ops. Running for president involves photo ops and public relations stuff.

Oh no Romney's doing something nice what an asshole! He's trying to look good! Fuck him!

please don't bust a valve over this. Mitt's team goofed up again, no biggie

by **CalvinBall** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:57:30

Talked to a friend who is working for OFA in Virginia. He said it was going to be close but they feel optimistic. They have been working really hard to knock in doors. They believe if they can win Virginia Romney has no shot.

by **dajafi** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:59:23

JFLNYC wrote:Let's not be obtuse by suggesting that Romney didn't have political as well as humanitarian motives.

This might be the ultimate example of how Romney, or probably any Republican of national stature, gets caught between Crazy Base Land and the rest of the country. He really can't win here: suspending his campaign altogether would be seen as pointless theater and probably demotivate or infuriate his financial backers and volunteers, but going on as if nothing was happening would draw intense condemnation from the press (appropriately so) and disdain from most objective folks. So he's trying to walk a middle line, and asking a machine built for one purpose--to run and win an election--to pivot in real time to a totally different purpose, providing disaster relief (or at least approximating same).

Not to say that the guy isn't innately dickish or ungenerous (I think he's "differently generous," FWIW), but there's very little upside for him here. Meanwhile the president probably derives some political advantage simply by doing his job well--which is as it should be, but nonetheless a problem for the Romney campaign. To my knowledge, there hasn't been word one from them criticizing the government's response to Sandy. (Even the hard-to-believe-schmuck Brownie just used the response as frame for a different criticism.) That too might be political calculation, but I suspect it's also at least partly a reflection of the fact that Obama's FEMA has performed pretty well.

by **td11** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 15:59:38

HOT NU POLL from marquette law has the pres up 8 in WI. +7pt swing from 2 weeks ago.

a lot of the state polls today look bad for romney, imo. but BAD SAMPLE and ECHO CHAMBER

by **slugsrbad** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 16:02:45

Another thing that is grating (based solely on the twitterz RX) is how Romney held a "rally" for the victims in Ohio instead of his own event that was planned... except all he did was change the title of the event and kept the Campaign tones. I mean, if it was really a rally for relief he wouldn't have handed out all the "Fire Obama" swag.

by **drsmooth** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 16:03:00

Kinda funny picturing mitt rassling canned goods. guy may never have actually eaten anything out of a can

by **dajafi** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 16:04:14

td11 wrote:HOT NU POLL from marquette law has the pres up 8 in WI. +7pt swing from 2 weeks ago.

a lot of the state polls today look bad for romney, imo. but BAD SAMPLE and ECHO CHAMBER

Politicalwire:

Here are the latest polls from the battleground states:

Ohio: Obama 50%, Romney 45% (Quinnipiac)

Ohio: Obama 50%, Romney 45% (Public Policy Polling)

Ohio: Obama 48%, Romney 46% (University of Cincinnati)

Florida: Obama 48%, Romney 47% (Quinnipiac)

Florida: Romney 50%, Obama 47% (Gravis)

Iowa: Obama 50%, Romney 45% (Public Policy Polling)

Michigan: Obama 48%, Romney 45% (Detroit News)

North Carolina: Obama 49%, Romney 49% (Public Policy Polling)

Pennsylvania: Obama 48%, Romney 44% (Franklin and Marshall)

Virginia: Obama 49%, Romney 47% (Quinnipiac)

Virginia: Romney 49%, Obama 44% (Roanoke)

Wisconsin: Obama 51%, Romney 46% (Public Policy Polling)

Wisconsin: Obama 51%, Romney 43% (Marquette Law)

Saw earlier today, also on Political Wire, that Charlie Cook now sees NC, FL and VA as toss-ups again after thinking a week or so back that they were drifting toward the Rs.

Hopefully the solid response to Sandy helps with the undecideds.

by **TenuredVulture** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 16:07:28

To be fair, it's a lot easier for a President to look good during a disaster than it is for his opponent. That is, unless you delegated a bunch of responsibility to an incompetent boob and are simultaneously dealing with a state and city run by good ol' boys completely out of their depth. (see we can be bipartisan here!)

And Brown really was a scapegoat--FEMA simply wasn't a priority for Chertoff and Bush, and the appointment of Brown to head it was an indication of how little Bush and Co. cared about the agency.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 16:13:52

jerseyhoya wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Let's not be obtuse by suggesting that Romney didn't have political as well as humanitarian motives.

Of course he did. He's a politician running for president, and we're voting in 6 days.

Is Obama in NJ today for purely humanitarian reasons? He's not a scumbag; he's just doing his job, which involves photo ops. Running for president involves photo ops and public relations stuff.

Oh no Romney's doing something nice what an asshole! He's trying to look good! Fuck him!

Please don't attribute what others may have said to me. When it comes to things like charity and family, I suspect Mitt's a good guy. My post was in response to yours which ascribed nothing but the best motives to him when certainly is motives were mixed.

by **phdave** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 16:17:36

Mitt Romney set to win, maybe by a mile

One week from today, the Boston Herald’s front page will either read “Obama Pulls Out Victory” Or “Romney Wins.”
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I predict the latter. One week from today, Mitt wins.

I’ll even go a step farther. I’ll ask the question poll watchers across America are thinking but afraid to ask: Is this election over?

If your source of news is MSNBC or the Boston Globe-Democrat, obviously not. If anything, you think President Obama is on the verge of a massive sweep from North Carolina to Nevada.

But if you’ve been watching the polls and the campaigns at all objectively, you’re starting to see a picture develop. One where Romney’s the winner well before bedtime.

I believe we’re on the verge of a solid Romney win for two reasons. One is the objective evidence. The other is the ugly desperation of the Obama campaign in its final days.
...
First the numbers. And let’s start with the big one: Before Gallup suspended polling due to Hurricane Sandy, Mitt Romney was at or above 50 percent among likely voters for 14 consecutive days. No candidate above 50 percent at this point has ever lost the presidential race.

Ever.

The president, on the other hand, has peaked at 47 percent. The Battleground Poll model shows Obama losing 52 percent to 47 percent. Rasmussen daily tracking has Obama losing 49 percent to 47 percent. Pew has him tied: 47 percent to 47 percent. But more important, all the polls show Obama sliding or stuck. None show any upward movement.

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