CalvinBall wrote:

Bucky wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:west chester will now fine you if they catch you throwing a cigarette butt onto the ground. 100 dollars.

my dad was the only one who voted against it.

I applaud this legislation

Why did your dad vote nay

think because it is really hard to enforce. and the police are already over budget.

Bucky wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:west chester will now fine you if they catch you throwing a cigarette butt onto the ground. 100 dollars.

my dad was the only one who voted against it.

I applaud this legislation

Why did your dad vote nay

Monkeyboy wrote:

Warszawa wrote:

"Politicians don't like to admit they don't have control over everything," says Daniel Weiss, an energy expert at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, a non-partisan advocacy group that favors a clean-energy agenda.

"A non-answer probably reflects the complexity of the issue," adds Branko Terzic, a former commissioner of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission who now heads the Deloitte Center for Energy Solutions. He says prices also vary within the United States because of localized conditions such as oil supply, refinery capacity and transportation.

"High gasoline prices in California are due to a fire at a major oil refinery and a power failure — not a lack of oil," says Weiss, adding Romney's "drill, baby, drill" proposals may boost domestic supply but won't necessarily bring down gas prices. "Even though Canada produces nearly all of its oil, it too had high gasoline prices this year due to high worldwide oil prices."

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Excuse my economics naivety, but why would canada's oil prices be high if they produce all their own oil? I guess companies could argue that they could sell it for more on the world market, but that seems really dumb (from the perspective of everyone in the country sans the oil companies). Crap like this is going to turn me into a socialist (a real one, not the type Obama is to the GOP supporters).

Warszawa wrote:

"Politicians don't like to admit they don't have control over everything," says Daniel Weiss, an energy expert at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, a non-partisan advocacy group that favors a clean-energy agenda.

"A non-answer probably reflects the complexity of the issue," adds Branko Terzic, a former commissioner of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission who now heads the Deloitte Center for Energy Solutions. He says prices also vary within the United States because of localized conditions such as oil supply, refinery capacity and transportation.

"High gasoline prices in California are due to a fire at a major oil refinery and a power failure — not a lack of oil," says Weiss, adding Romney's "drill, baby, drill" proposals may boost domestic supply but won't necessarily bring down gas prices. "Even though Canada produces nearly all of its oil, it too had high gasoline prices this year due to high worldwide oil prices."

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I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.

TomatoPie wrote:High prices in California are due, largely, to California's "we're smarter than the rest of the nation" fuel standards. When there is a fire in a CA refinery, they can't draw on refineries and resources that are useful for 49 other states. By legislating their own unique version of motor fuel, California set itself up for supply crunches just like this one.

Soren wrote:

I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/ ... employers/

nothing inappropriate about this.

Monkeyboy wrote:Yeh, I figured, but given the effect on the economy and all the dirty oil they are producing with the tar sands, you'd think they (the politicians) would find a way to keep the prices down. High oil prices push the cost of everything up and it's unnecessary in this case.

TenuredVulture wrote:I heard something interesting, though it bordered on conspiratorial--that US energy policy has been to get the rest of the world to use up their oil, while we keep ours in the ground. Bwahahaha. I wasn't clear about whether this was intentional, or a unintended consequence of our environmental regulation, or simply the fact that it's way, way cheaper to drill in Saudi Arabia than in the Gulf of Mexico or on the North Slope of Alaska.

Soren wrote:

I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/ ... employers/

nothing inappropriate about this.

Monkeyboy wrote:Yeh, I figured, but given the effect on the economy and all the dirty oil they are producing with the tar sands, you'd think they (the politicians) would find a way to keep the prices down. High oil prices push the cost of everything up and it's unnecessary in this case. Are the oil companies going to clean up the mess made by making oil from tar sands or will their people have to pay for that too?

Like I said, that would make me push for nationalizing the oil, if I were canadian. And, yes, I know I'm not making much sense. It just seems like so much of the cost is put on the people, even though there's no need for it, just so the companies can sell their product at insane profits. Maybe there needs to be a cap on the profit % or something, not on most things, but on things like this that are basically national resources. It's not like the oil companies are making oil. They are just pumping it from the ground and refining it, probably in refineries also paid for by the people.

Soren wrote:

I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/ ... employers/

nothing inappropriate about this.

Since the U.S. Supreme Court's 2010 decision in Citizens United v. FEC, the Kochs and other employers can now make partisan political communications directly to their employees. As a private employer the Kochs can even limit their employees' speech, since the First Amendment only protects against government infringement on free speech and expression. Employers are also afforded wide latitude to fire workers for their political activities.

jerseyhoya wrote:

Soren wrote:

I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/ ... employers/

nothing inappropriate about this.

Correct

Soren wrote:worth following:
http://www.nbc29.com/story/19836183/inv ... tion-forms

Virginia GOP Caught Destroying Voter Registration Forms- UPDATED

On Monday I saw a really interesting story coming out of Harrisonburg on Facebook:

"I just saw a guy throw a bag of trash in my cardboard dumpster and speed off. I went to get the bag and throw it in the trash dumpster. In the bag was a folder containing FILLED OUT VIRGINIA VOTER REGISTRATION FORMS!! I called the Harrisonburg Registrars office and they sent the police who said they really didn't know what to do in a case like this because its never happened before. The police took the forms and left. I'm really concerned because today is the last day in Virginia to register to vote and if these forms are tied up while trying to figure out what to do, will these people be allowed to vote??? I'm tagging you Lowell since I thought you might want to follow up on this. I spoke with Debbie at the Harrisonburg office and police spoke with Doug at the Rockingham county registrars office"

Who would drive up to a dumpster on the registration deadline day to throw away completed voter registration forms and why?

The car that drove up was a black Toyota Camry with Pennsylvania license plates. Who would be in the Valley from Pennsylvania and have a bunch of completed voter registration forms that they wanted to destroy?

Once this story hit Facebook, a number of people pointed out to the person who witnessed this crime that the state GOP "Victory Office" was just a couple blocks away. Yesterday afternoon, guess what car was parked in front of the office?

Yep, a black Toyota Camry from Pennsylvania.

Police are investigating and the local media has begun reporting on this story. The Sheriff (a Republican) has said the person who destroyed the forms was a different person than who collected them. NBC29 also reports that the Sheriff will decide if this is a criminal case today.

Uh.... how can attempting to throw completed voter registration forms in the dumpster *not* be a criminal case?

More to come on here soon, including whether this was a paid GOP staffer and perhaps what his motives were? Were these people that identified as Democrats when they were filling out forms and the GOP decided to destroy them? What other motives could there be?

Either way, I bet this guy from Pennsylvania is going to be spending a lot more time in Virginia than he planned on, hopefully in one of our prisons.

UPDATE: Sources close to the Rockingham County Sheriff's Office are telling me that Strategic Allied Consulting is involved in this. This is the same group that was in the national news two weeks ago for their "registration" drive in Florida that had forms with made up voters.