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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Oct 17, 2012 21:43:21

JFLNYC wrote:
Werthless wrote:I'd probably get along quite well with your wife. I also dislike stupid people. :)



Stupid people in general or all stupid people? :-D

In general. I like many individual people with low intelligence. But it's not really intelligence that I'm calling stupid here.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 22:02:50

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ya-attack/

Our ruling

Romney said it took the president 14 days before he called the Libya attack terror.

In fact, Obama described it in those terms the day after the attack. But in the days that followed, neither he nor all the members of his administration spoke consistently on the subject. There were many suggestions that the attack was part of demonstrations over an American-made video that disparaged Islam.

We rate the statement Half True.


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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Oct 17, 2012 22:09:08

Roger Dorn wrote:
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kimbatiste wrote:Agreed on principle. But realistically, anyone who wouldn't vote for Obama because of this alone is probably too much a pothead to remember to make it to the polls anyway.


Right, it just irks me that states have a democratic process in place, whether it be ballot initative, referendum, etc., and the Feds just swoop in and ends it right there. People who really could use it suffer, and its a shame.

What's also a shame is that both parties are prisoners to the big pharma lobby, and of course marijuana is a huge threat and competition for them so it makes sense.

i agree as for some cancer patients and chronic pain patients it is the ONLY thing that truly helps; however, i am less for medical marijuana as a permanent thing and more for it as a step in teh door to just full legalization. i just don't care if you want to get blitzed drinking EW and coke zero or a bong.


Agree 100% with this. Change occurs at a snails place in the U.S., so in my mind the first step is fully legalize medicinal. If it was up to me the Drug War would end yesterday.


not even the prez is big enough to stand up to big pharma and the law enforcement unions. although there is a lot to be gained economically for this country to end the drug war, certain groups would stand to lose big.
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 17, 2012 22:11:55

it's not just that, though. The US is on the opposite arc right now. Heck, people are banning soda and trans fats. not a good climate to try to UN ban stuff that many feel is bad for the human body.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 17, 2012 22:41:27

Werthless wrote:...The fact that you set the line at 40% instead of the 70% or so that our earnings gap would suggest indicates that you agree with my overall comment, that the decisions surrounding child raising affect the earnings of men and women unequally....


I suppose I regard that as coincidental, an 'accident of history' of sorts. My prediction is based more on my guesses about a future in which there's little reason that the pertinent cultural forces will not be tempered/transformed/whatever in a way that alters what's "economically" "normal","inevitable", etc. about current income disparities

And it's not all roses. Some of that has to do with topics raised in a couple of articles JFLNYC noted here. We had planned to return to them. Their subject matter would probably interest you. Neo-Malthusian pessimism can be a diverting and thought-provoking wallow 8-)

I'm adding another interesting article that addresses the peculiar challenges that scale issues inject into comprehension of our physical world...AND, sometimes, our socioeconomic world (economic/political stuff is in the latter 3rd of the article):

Visualizing Vastness

What makes subjects like biology and climate science so hard is not just that they involve so many variables; it’s that the crucial phenomena in them occur over such a wide range of scales. Biologists need to contend with everything from nano-size DNA molecules on up to cells, organs, organisms and ecosystems. For climate scientists the relevant scales go from the molecular (the photochemistry of ozone) to the global (the fluid mechanics of the jet stream). Many of the great scientific puzzles of our time have this multiscale character.


The author then deftly relates this scale-sensing problem to the challenges involved in all of us getting together to tackle social problems - because the scale problem is present in, and confounds, our understanding of our TRUE social problems as much as it is present in and confounds our understanding of science:

....A contentious example, especially in this election season, is inequality. The distribution of wealth in the United States spans at least 10 powers of 10, ranging from people whose net worth is measured in tens of billions of dollars, to those with barely a dollar to their names. This disparity dwarfs even the six powers of 10 in the solar system. As such, the distribution is extremely difficult to depict on a single graph, at least on the standard kinds of plots with linear axes, which is why you never see it displayed on one page.

Depending on your politics, you may think that wealth inequality is a problem to be solved, or irrelevant, or an encouraging sign of a free society. But whether you believe we need more inequality or less, I think we can all agree that it would be helpful to understand the actual distribution. Unfortunately its multiscale character confounds us.
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed Oct 17, 2012 22:46:21

Bucky wrote:it's not just that, though. The US is on the opposite arc right now. Heck, people are banning soda and trans fats. not a good climate to try to UN ban stuff that many feel is bad for the human body.

you mean san fran and bloomberg?
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Oct 17, 2012 23:43:18

west chester will now fine you if they catch you throwing a cigarette butt onto the ground. 100 dollars.

my dad was the only one who voted against it.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby philliesphhan » Wed Oct 17, 2012 23:45:13

pacino wrote:
Roger Dorn wrote:
pacino wrote:
Roger Dorn wrote:
kimbatiste wrote:Agreed on principle. But realistically, anyone who wouldn't vote for Obama because of this alone is probably too much a pothead to remember to make it to the polls anyway.


Right, it just irks me that states have a democratic process in place, whether it be ballot initative, referendum, etc., and the Feds just swoop in and ends it right there. People who really could use it suffer, and its a shame.

What's also a shame is that both parties are prisoners to the big pharma lobby, and of course marijuana is a huge threat and competition for them so it makes sense.

i agree as for some cancer patients and chronic pain patients it is the ONLY thing that truly helps; however, i am less for medical marijuana as a permanent thing and more for it as a step in teh door to just full legalization. i just don't care if you want to get blitzed drinking EW and coke zero or a bong.


Agree 100% with this. Change occurs at a snails place in the U.S., so in my mind the first step is fully legalize medicinal. If it was up to me the Drug War would end yesterday.

yes. it seems to me that much of the american public votes conservative economically, even if i dont agree, so the republican party would be wise to disband itself from its super right-wing religious element and just dominate our politics. but, they try to rile up the base with social issues and alienate a lot of young voters who may not agree with more liberal economic views. i just dont get why they do that???? i'm a liberal, but i know lots of younger (under 35) voters that would vote republican if they didn't have so many damned anti-drug and anti-gay politicians in power.


I've thought this for a while, too. I think they're afraid of losing the anti-gay, uber-religious people that are still prevalent in the bible belt, but the same time (to borrow a Charlie Manuel phrase) I don't know where they think those votes will go. It's not like they'll vote Democrat instead.

edit: I've seen you've made this point to TV
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Oct 18, 2012 00:03:22

thought i got redistricted and gerlach was my rep. turns out it is still joe pitts. had to search for a few minutes before i could even find out what dem was running against him. it is some woman i have never heard of. cant even recall seeing a sign of hers. bummer.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Thu Oct 18, 2012 01:10:25

"Politicians don't like to admit they don't have control over everything," says Daniel Weiss, an energy expert at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, a non-partisan advocacy group that favors a clean-energy agenda.

"A non-answer probably reflects the complexity of the issue," adds Branko Terzic, a former commissioner of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission who now heads the Deloitte Center for Energy Solutions. He says prices also vary within the United States because of localized conditions such as oil supply, refinery capacity and transportation.

"High gasoline prices in California are due to a fire at a major oil refinery and a power failure — not a lack of oil," says Weiss, adding Romney's "drill, baby, drill" proposals may boost domestic supply but won't necessarily bring down gas prices. "Even though Canada produces nearly all of its oil, it too had high gasoline prices this year due to high worldwide oil prices."


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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Oct 18, 2012 07:41:21

Warszawa wrote:
"Politicians don't like to admit they don't have control over everything," says Daniel Weiss, an energy expert at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, a non-partisan advocacy group that favors a clean-energy agenda.

"A non-answer probably reflects the complexity of the issue," adds Branko Terzic, a former commissioner of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission who now heads the Deloitte Center for Energy Solutions. He says prices also vary within the United States because of localized conditions such as oil supply, refinery capacity and transportation.

"High gasoline prices in California are due to a fire at a major oil refinery and a power failure — not a lack of oil," says Weiss, adding Romney's "drill, baby, drill" proposals may boost domestic supply but won't necessarily bring down gas prices. "Even though Canada produces nearly all of its oil, it too had high gasoline prices this year due to high worldwide oil prices."


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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby Soren » Thu Oct 18, 2012 08:08:01

Roger Dorn wrote:
pacino wrote:
Roger Dorn wrote:
kimbatiste wrote:Agreed on principle. But realistically, anyone who wouldn't vote for Obama because of this alone is probably too much a pothead to remember to make it to the polls anyway.


Right, it just irks me that states have a democratic process in place, whether it be ballot initative, referendum, etc., and the Feds just swoop in and ends it right there. People who really could use it suffer, and its a shame.

What's also a shame is that both parties are prisoners to the big pharma lobby, and of course marijuana is a huge threat and competition for them so it makes sense.

i agree as for some cancer patients and chronic pain patients it is the ONLY thing that truly helps; however, i am less for medical marijuana as a permanent thing and more for it as a step in teh door to just full legalization. i just don't care if you want to get blitzed drinking EW and coke zero or a bong.


Agree 100% with this. Change occurs at a snails place in the U.S., so in my mind the first step is fully legalize medicinal. If it was up to me the Drug War would end yesterday.


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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Thu Oct 18, 2012 08:17:32

CalvinBall wrote:west chester will now fine you if they catch you throwing a cigarette butt onto the ground. 100 dollars.

my dad was the only one who voted against it.


I applaud this legislation

Why did your dad vote nay

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Oct 18, 2012 08:31:54

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Oct 18, 2012 08:40:12

Bucky wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:west chester will now fine you if they catch you throwing a cigarette butt onto the ground. 100 dollars.

my dad was the only one who voted against it.


I applaud this legislation

Why did your dad vote nay


think because it is really hard to enforce. and the police are already over budget.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Thu Oct 18, 2012 08:42:15

This is a case where just the threat of enforcement does 90% of the heavy lifting though

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Oct 18, 2012 08:47:15

Yeah. He also smokes. So it was probably selfish.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Oct 18, 2012 08:57:39

Warszawa wrote:
"Politicians don't like to admit they don't have control over everything," says Daniel Weiss, an energy expert at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, a non-partisan advocacy group that favors a clean-energy agenda.

"A non-answer probably reflects the complexity of the issue," adds Branko Terzic, a former commissioner of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission who now heads the Deloitte Center for Energy Solutions. He says prices also vary within the United States because of localized conditions such as oil supply, refinery capacity and transportation.

"High gasoline prices in California are due to a fire at a major oil refinery and a power failure — not a lack of oil," says Weiss, adding Romney's "drill, baby, drill" proposals may boost domestic supply but won't necessarily bring down gas prices. "Even though Canada produces nearly all of its oil, it too had high gasoline prices this year due to high worldwide oil prices."


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Excuse my economics naivety, but why would canada's oil prices be high if they produce all their own oil? I guess companies could argue that they could sell it for more on the world market, but that seems really dumb (from the perspective of everyone in the country sans the oil companies). Crap like this is going to turn me into a socialist (a real one, not the type Obama is to the GOP supporters).
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