Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:13:06

thephan wrote:This is all rather depressing. There is no apology issued, in fact the statement points to core American values and says that these values can be unfortunately abused. I think the statement on its own has merit. To corrupt it into some political tool is shady, or simply parading lack of understanding.

If the case is to be made that the "film" is not insulting, even to non-Muslims, then you lost me. The producer and promoter are dangerous to American values. That fool in Florida is essentially creating terrorism against Americans. He learned nothing with the Koran burning, or just does not care. Then again, Terry Jones, failed assistant hotel manager cum radical religious leader, did announce his candidacy for president last year, so maybe he should test his convictions.

The current Egypt president wants the US to prosecute and punish the film maker. Obviously this cannot happen without some reach into a esoteric twist of laws, which the US Government would, not that this path can be taken, lose publicly setting off other unrest.

I do wonder what the reaction from Romney would be if the film substituted John Smith in as a sex fiend with a preference for young boys. Seriously sad stuff.

a film is never dangerous to American values. first, we have to all agree on what said values are, and then we have to be the biggest pussy society ever to let a film affect how we view our country and ourselves. i refuse to believe any of this is the fault of this idiot. it's religion in general, and people using it as an outlet for their frustrations with their own lives. that is the problem, not the film.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:18:36

pacino wrote:evangelical muslims need to get out of the 15th century and get over films and depictions of muhammad. your faith must be shit if you are threatened by a crappy, dumb film by crazies. guess what? us non-muslims don't have to follow the rules you fundamentalist muslims do. so dont get mad when we dont.

Luckily, in the US, we settle our differencesof opinion peacefully. I mean, it's one thing to get mad at differences of opinion and policy, it's another to get violent about it. Silly non-progressive societies.

I mean, if they were truly civilized, they would use unmanned drones to kill their political enemies from other countries.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:23:47

I have a hard time labeling Al Qaeda's #2 guys (the many of them that we have killed) as political enemies. Assange is our political enemy. We are at war with the targets of our drones.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:33:19

Nate silver tweeted the other day that under Obama we have killed the al qaeda #2 man 17 times
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:35:20

Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote:evangelical muslims need to get out of the 15th century and get over films and depictions of muhammad. your faith must be shit if you are threatened by a crappy, dumb film by crazies. guess what? us non-muslims don't have to follow the rules you fundamentalist muslims do. so dont get mad when we dont.

Luckily, in the US, we settleour differencesof opinionpeacefully. I mean, it's one thing to get mad at differences of opinion and policy, it's another to get violent about it. Silly non-progressive societies.

But most of those are the acts of crazy individuals acting alone or very small groups. The vast majority of even our most dogmatic fundamentalists go through peaceful avenues for protesting whatever the issue of the day is. It seems across the Middle East every time there's a stunt pulled by someone in the West (political cartoons with Mohammed, Koran burning, this film, etc.) there are huge public uprisings that inevitably turn violent in addition to deliberate armed attacks on Western troops or embassies or landmarks. These events aren't carried out by one guy or a dozen losers who spend their days hiding in a cabin somewhere in Montana. It's obviously a lot easier to rely exclusively on peaceful channels here because we have established institutions that protect minority viewpoints. It's not a we're better than you because you're mostly Muslims and we're mostly Christians thing...it's a we're better than you because we have an entrenched political system that gives us the ability to contest things politically without lighting shit on fire.

As an aside, did any of you actually watch the trailer? It's amazing. Like sooooooo badly done.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:37:25

pacino wrote:
thephan wrote:This is all rather depressing. There is no apology issued, in fact the statement points to core American values and says that these values can be unfortunately abused. I think the statement on its own has merit. To corrupt it into some political tool is shady, or simply parading lack of understanding.

If the case is to be made that the "film" is not insulting, even to non-Muslims, then you lost me. The producer and promoter are dangerous to American values. That fool in Florida is essentially creating terrorism against Americans. He learned nothing with the Koran burning, or just does not care. Then again, Terry Jones, failed assistant hotel manager cum radical religious leader, did announce his candidacy for president last year, so maybe he should test his convictions.

The current Egypt president wants the US to prosecute and punish the film maker. Obviously this cannot happen without some reach into a esoteric twist of laws, which the US Government would, not that this path can be taken, lose publicly setting off other unrest.

I do wonder what the reaction from Romney would be if the film substituted John Smith in as a sex fiend with a preference for young boys. Seriously sad stuff.

a film is never dangerous to American values. first, we have to all agree on what said values are, and then we have to be the biggest pussy society ever to let a film affect how we view our country and ourselves. i refuse to believe any of this is the fault of this idiot. it's religion in general, and people using it as an outlet for their frustrations with their own lives. that is the problem, not the film.
Well good luck changing attitudes toward religion in the middle east...or changing their current political/economic situation. It's well within their rights as an American to make this movie. That doesn't make it any less retarded to make a hate spewing movie about the evils of Islam and translate the goddamn trailer into Arabic. It's foolish to think there's no blood on the hands of those promoting this hate speech just because it falls under their first amendment rights.

This is, of course, assuming that the killings truly stemmed from those riots and weren't pre-meditated and waiting for an opportunity.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:38:03

I refuse to believe it cost 5 million to make.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:43:12

JUburton wrote:Well good luck changing attitudes toward religion in the middle east...or changing their current political/economic situation. It's well within their rights as an American to make this movie. That doesn't make it any less retarded to make a hate spewing movie about the evils of Islam and translate the goddamn trailer into Arabic. It's foolish to think there's no blood on the hands of those promoting this hate speech just because it falls under their first amendment rights.


this is it exactly. there are americans out there risking their lives to serve their country amidst rife political turmoil, let's please consider there safety ahead of any and all first amendment rights
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:43:28

but the catering was to die for

td11 wrote:I refuse to believe it cost 5 million to make.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:14:48

You don't make things better by censoring. Improve people's lives.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:55:19

I for one am shocked to learn that someone trained as a diplomat tried to act diplomatically.

Or more seriously, we as a society have gotten to a point where politeness and civility are not just devalued, but in fact dismissed as bad things. This is tied to the romantic elevation of emotion over reason and the central importance of feelings in our bizarre world of psychology. We see this everywhere--Boehner's tears, guests on the Jerry Springer show, sports talk radiohippies and such eschewing politeness, rappers saying the most foul things imaginable and doing in the name of "keeping it real". People say whatever pops into their head and see no value self-censorship. Indeed, those who practice self-censorship are criticize as repressed.

I blame Rousseau. And hippies.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Soren » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:09:14

I blame Republicans.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Rev_Beezer » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:10:49

Wow. Bad green screen. Horrendous acting. This thing is a self parody. The overdubs sound like something from The Simpsons.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:25:50

Sam Bacile sounds like imbecile. like if you spell out the first name -- "ess ay em bacile" = is a imbecile
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby philliesphhan » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:26:42

td11 wrote:Nate silver tweeted the other day that under Obama we have killed the al qaeda #2 man 17 times


You'd think at some point they'd have a tough time filling the position

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:32:21

Who does number 2 work for?!?

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:43:44

Fed announces open ended QE3

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:48:25

Soren wrote:I blame Republicans.


Certainly, the new breed of stretch pants wearing Republicans, who elevate their wishes over the realities of mathematics and chased all the country club types out deserve a lot of blame.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:49:36

jerseyhoya wrote:Fed announces open ended QE3


As a Citibank stockholder, I applaud this move.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:51:18

TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Fed announces open ended QE3


As a Citibank stockholder, I applaud this move.



someone please interpret tia

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