Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:07:11

"Uniquely qualified to handle relations with Muslims because he lived in the Middle East for part of his life..." is a legitimate resume builder, particularly for places with substantial cultural differences like the Middle East. It is certainly no worse than Romney claiming foreign policy experience because he ran the Olympics in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:29:03

It's amazing to me that these neocon fucking psychos are allowed to speak in public, much less are taken semi-seriously. Liz Cheney is on This Week right now and spewing utter madness. At some point, shouldn't there be some consequence for having been wrong about everything?

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:26:33

dajafi wrote:It's amazing to me that these neocon fucking psychos are allowed to speak in public, much less are taken semi-seriously. Liz Cheney is on This Week right now and spewing utter madness. At some point, shouldn't there be some consequence for having been wrong about everything?


This is what I meant by wiping that particular ideology from the political landscape of the United States, and salting the earth from which it grew. It's imperialistic war-mongering, and it has caused nothing but agony.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sun Sep 16, 2012 13:48:37

dajafi wrote:It's amazing to me that these neocon #$!&@ psychos are allowed to speak in public, much less are taken semi-seriously. Liz Cheney is on This Week right now and spewing utter madness. At some point, shouldn't there be some consequence for having been wrong about everything?

half the beltway would be out of jobs. seems like a bad jobs program to demand accuracy and results in punditry.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Sep 16, 2012 13:52:47

And now you know the rationale behind the name of my long ago abandoned blog.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sun Sep 16, 2012 17:18:02

TenuredVulture wrote:And now you know the rationale behind the name of my long ago abandoned blog.

I'd start a blog named "neocon fucking psychos", but I can't decide between adjective or verb.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Swiggers » Sun Sep 16, 2012 18:17:22

Calvin, you're doing Facebook wrong.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sun Sep 16, 2012 18:25:38

Yeah?

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Swiggers » Sun Sep 16, 2012 18:32:04

Arguing with an irrational person on Facebook makes you almost as irrational.
jerseyhoya wrote:I think the reason you get yelled at is you appear to hate listening to sports talk radio, but regularly listen to sports talk radio, and then frequently post about how bad listening to sports talk radio is after you were once again listening to it.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sun Sep 16, 2012 18:39:30

Yeah. I just like trying it every so often. Me and my friends laugh at her in real life. The only way to get her to spout more nonsense is to disagree with her because normally everyone just comments YEAH GOOD POINT and OBAMA IS A MUSLIM on anything she posts.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Sun Sep 16, 2012 21:43:34

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Me: You can laugh or insinuate I am stupid or whatever you are trying to accomplish. You post this kind of vitriol often, and I tried engaging in actually talking about it and not just going "LOL ROMNEY SUCH A DICK." Which, I feel is essentially the point of this audio clip is attempting to do to Obama even though I don't think it says what you and the website say it is saying. I enjoy talking about it but it is hard when all you respond with is more insults.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sun Sep 16, 2012 21:57:54

ok

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Sun Sep 16, 2012 23:51:58

WRT 50% of the beltway being out of work, that is already in motion. The threat of sequestration has paralyzed government PMs (COTRs) who are afraid to spend any money except on Mlik-Bread-Toilet Paper leading to waning corporate confidence leading to layoffs, starting now. In bids companies are bidding so low that pay cuts are essential. An example is that a friend of mine had his contract moved to a different vendor which netted him an offer to take a 17% pay cut, lose 2 weeks vacation and have his medical rise about $3500 for the same job where he has had happy customers for about 13 years. The estimation is that sequestration will cost 300,000 Federal jobs, 600,000 contractor jobs and have a trickle down effect of another 5-800,000 in the service industries. We are just getting started! The only paying jobs will soon be blowhards and boneheads working to pundit and legislation (oh, an d lobbying).
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 15:50:43

When you're openly admitting that you are "retooling" your campaign six weeks out from election day, something's gone wrong.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Sep 17, 2012 15:56:21

This from the guy who touts his managerial expertise as one of his chief qualifications for the job.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Mon Sep 17, 2012 16:03:45

Interesting analysis of Romney's CEO candidacy:

Romney’s problem is not that he’s brought too little executive rigor to the job of running for president. It’s that he’s brought too much. He’s behaved too much like a businessman (or a consultant) and not enough like a politician. His campaign has all the hallmarks of being run by someone looking only at the numbers, someone who lacks a true politician’s appreciation for the other dimensions of a race—a feel for the electorate, a convincing long-term plan for the country. Were he forced to defend himself before a board of directors, Romney would actually have a pretty solid case for doing what he has done.
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The problem is that politics is about much more than a tactical, short-term reading of the numbers. Candidate skills matter, and the audience in a presidential election is much more variegated than a board of directors. There isn’t much, frankly, that a stiff guy can do to make himself warm and approachable. (Earth tones, anyone?) The glaring weaknesses in Romney’s campaign—the fuzzy details, the inability to convincingly articulate plan for growth, and above all the weird tics and gaffes—are not ones that a businessman’s skills can rectify.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 16:07:23

Most of the stuff in this leaked video will likely come to nothing, but the idea that 47% of Americans - the 47% who are committed to voting for the President, as it happens, or about 90% of President Obama's supporters - are "dependent on government," "victims... who believe the government has the responsibility to care for them" could serve as useful bulletin board material for the Obama campaign in terms of getting turn out up.

Did you vote for President Obama?

If you did, Mitt Romney says you must be dependent on government, etc. etc. etc.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jeff2sf » Mon Sep 17, 2012 16:26:51

Daj, the idea that a businessman/ceo doesn't have a long term plan is laughable. Romney may not have a long term plan but that's not BECAUSE he's a business guy. And if you want to respond with some "manage to wall street, quarter by quarter, rev rec, analysts on my back, insert some woody-isms in here", then the defense is even simpler:

Romney's experience is with non-public companies where you can afford long term plans.
Or, more bluntly, politicians manage to the next poll number and have NO credible justification for criticizing others on long term plans.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Sep 17, 2012 16:26:55

Thought this was interesting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-m ... 91074.html

Also, in about a week or two, if I ran the Obama campaign, I'd arrange for someone to snap a picture of Obama "sneaking" a smoke.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Mon Sep 17, 2012 17:49:14

jeff2sf wrote:Daj, the idea that a businessman/ceo doesn't have a long term plan is laughable. Romney may not have a long term plan but that's not BECAUSE he's a business guy. And if you want to respond with some "manage to wall street, quarter by quarter, rev rec, analysts on my back, insert some woody-isms in here", then the defense is even simpler:

Romney's experience is with non-public companies where you can afford long term plans.
Or, more bluntly, politicians manage to the next poll number and have NO credible justification for criticizing others on long term plans.


I think your beef is with the guy who wrote the piece (who's a journalist, not a politician), not me. As it happens, I agree Romney has a plan: Ryan's, at least in the broad strokes. But for some reason, he's not talking about it...

This is why I think he's fucked either way: avoid specifics, and get blasted for not coming clean with the public. Share the specifics they're thinking, and get blasted for offering Bush's third term. A great pol, a Bill Clinton, probably could pull off the trick by finding one example that's supposed to be representative of the whole (but isn't), and spicing it all charm and distractions. Romney's not that guy.

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