Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 00:06:15

Watching the Dukakis/Bush debate for some reason. It's astounding how awful they both are.

Bush's position on abortion "evolved," in case you are wondering.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Sep 15, 2012 00:33:49

mozartpc27 wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
td11 wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-strikes-wis-law-limiting-union-rights-17240678#.UFOvxrJlR9u

A Wisconsin judge on Friday struck down the state law championed by Gov. Scott Walker that effectively ended collective bargaining rights for most public workers.

It was not clear if the ruling means the law is immediately suspended. The law took away nearly all collective bargaining rights from most workers and has been in effect for more than a year.

Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled that the law violates both the state and U.S. Constitution and is null and void. The ruling comes after a lawsuit brought by the Madison teachers union and a union for Milwaukee city employees.

Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie said he was confident the decision will be overturned on appeal.

It's a shame about all the trees the WI Supreme Court is going to have to waste in writing their decision overturning this


Haven't read the briefs, have no idea if the ruling has a leg to stand on, but if it does I sincerely hope I'm not too mature or too busy to rub it in.

Dane County judges (and voters) keep trying to make the law go away, but the rest of the state keeps telling them to go fuck themselves.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Sep 15, 2012 00:54:22

A nsfw is prob appropriate there

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Sep 15, 2012 00:55:33

The Onion drew some cartoon penises

Goodness

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sat Sep 15, 2012 01:31:15

jerseyhoya wrote:The Onion drew some cartoon penises

Goodness


Yeah, but those are some kind of penises.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Sat Sep 15, 2012 07:57:57

The is a lot of complexity to the middle class definition. I would be rolling in money in say Adamstown, PA with my DC income, but it is not a ton of cash here. Economics are localized. Renting in Rienholds would be a comparitively song netting a house with property where as renting in Reston is going to be north of $24k for a family of 4 for adequate space. However, if there were high technology jobs in Northern Lancaster, the pay would be normalized or the cost of living much higher.

When I occasionally visit my parents I notice that groceries are 10-25% cheaper. Gas cost less. Housing is around 1/3 netting property with usable land. Etc, etc. Then again, my friends still in the area make far less then anyone could live on in DC without living in a townhouse with 10 people in it.

So what is middle class income? It is not definable for a diverse country with so much land with varied Industries. I spent time in Nebraska and would say that $60k annually could be a lot of scratch in Lincoln, but what would that buy you in Boston?

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 16:12:31

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/u-e ... 21793.html

The U.S. called out the Muslim Brotherhood for apparently tweeting a different set of messages—a kind one in English, and one in Arabic with a different tone—as demonstrators and security forces were battling outside the embassy in Cairo.
The Muslim Brotherhood's English-language Twitter account (@Ikhwanweb) retweeted a message from deputy head Khairat el-Shater saying he was "relieved none of @USEmbassyCairo staff was harmed" and hoped U.S.-Egypt relations "will sustain [the] turbulence of Tuesday's events."

However, according to ahramonline.com, the Brotherhood's Arabic-language Twitter account and its website were praising the protests staged against a U.S.-made film that some Muslims deem insulting to the Prophet Muhammad. The Brotherhood's messages also called for a million-man march on Friday.

That prompted an interesting response from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo: "Thanks. By the way, have you checked out your own Arabic feeds? I hope you know we read those too."

Later the Brotherhood responded, "we understand you're under a lot of stress, but it will be more helpful if you point out exactly the Arabic feed of concern."
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 16:25:25

http://www.nationalmemo.com/putin-thank ... s-remarks/

Russian President Vladimir Putin thanked Mitt Romney earlier this week for labeling Russia as America’s “number one geopolitical foe,” explaining that Romney’s position has helped to justify Russia’s strong opposition to a NATO missile defense shield in Eastern Europe.

“I’m grateful to [Romney] for formulating his stance so clearly because he has once again proven the correctness of our approach to missile defense problems,” Putin told reporters, according to Russian news agency RIA Novosti.

...

Although Putin has called President Obama “a very honest man” who is “quite sincere” in his willingness to negotiate with Russia over the issue, he believes that Romney’s aggressive stance vindicates Russia’s refusal to compromise on missile defense.

“The most important thing for us is that even if [Romney] doesn’t win now, he or a person with similar views may come to power in four years. We must take that into consideration while dealing with security issues for a long perspective,” Putin said.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Sep 15, 2012 17:07:36

Mitt Romney: Destabilizing the world one nation at a time.

Seriously, what an amateur.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Sep 15, 2012 17:42:50

Nothing gets between Mitt Romney and the Presidency -- not even world peace.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Slowhand » Sat Sep 15, 2012 18:03:51

td11 wrote:Image


Their feed a lot of times is just bizarrely casual and, well, undiplomatic. Some of it reads like your average Joe's feed rather than representing official government diplomacy. Very strange.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Sep 15, 2012 18:28:15

me and crazy obama hating republica friend on facebook (along with some other nuts). her initial post is the linked video. it is some radio interview from 5 years ago. might be worth listening to outside the context of this post just to see more of the crazy stuff conservative bloggers attack obama over.

Err, maybe not.

OBAMA FLASHBACK: The Day I'm Inaugurated Muslim Hostility Will Ease
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2 ... en-Senator Barack Obama makes the case for an Obama Presidency on November 21, 2007 by saying he is uniquely



Me: There were 12 embassy attacks under Bush. So in that sense it has eased.


Her: But Bush never came out & pompously claimed that the simple act of his election would make Muslims like us. That's what you're not getting.
10 hours ago via mobile · Like


Random Girl 1: if you cant beat 'em... join 'em, right? #pleasefindmeapresidentwithballsforfucksake
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Me: I listened to that clip a few times and Obama doesn't claim that either.
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Random Girl 1: that he has balls?
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Me: No, he doesn't pompously proclaim that the
Islamic world will like us or whatever because he is the President.
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Me: But to your point, it took, as you call it, balls to make the call to kill Osama bin Laden. So not sure what you are getting at.
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Random Girl 2: I hate when they are called protestors. They're unhinged radical rioters. Let's call them what they are
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Random Girl 2: Also, anyone would have pulled the trigger on Osama.
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Me: Girl Number 2, there was only a 40-50 percent chance he was at the compound. I think it is incorrect to believe anyone would have 'pulled the trigger' on those odds. Either way, he did, which in my opinion means he does in fact have 'balls.'
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Random Girl 2: I agree that he did the right thing and made a good call. I just think most people would have done that.
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Her: Alex... you sure you listened to the right clip? He says he is "uniquely qualified" to handle relations with Muslims because he lived in the Middle East for part of his life, traveled there frequently and his half sister is Indonesian. He said the DAY he's inaugurated things would change. Give me a freakin' break.
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Me: The title says he "Muslim hostility will ease." He doesn't say that at all. Nor does he say Muslims will like us. The questioner asked him to talk about his background. He did.
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Her: Haha, okay Alex, think whatever you want. Enjoy basking in his glow while you still can. It won't last much longer.
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Me: You can laugh or insinuate I am stupid or whatever you are trying to accomplish. You post this kind of vitriol often, and I tried engaging in actually talking about it and not just going "LOL ROMNEY SUCH A DICK." Which, I feel is essentially the point of this audio clip is attempting to do to Obama even though I don't think it says what you and the website say it is saying. I enjoy talking about it but it is hard when all you respond with is more insults.
4 hours ago · Like

Her mom: Geez, Meg, stop being so vitriolic!
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Her: It's like whenever I prove a point, all of a sudden I'm being insulting. Honestly Alex, if you don't have a valid rebuttal other than "but that's not what he meant to say!" then don't bother commenting. Barack Obama's arrogance is so blatantly obvious to anyone who isn't completely infatuated with him.
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Me: No, no. It is whenever you are being insulting is when you are being insulting.

"That's what you're not getting."
"Alex... you sure you listened to the right clip?"
"Haha, okay Alex, think whatever you want."

Do you not think those statements are dripping with belittling sarcasm? I am not mad or anything, so don't get me wrong. Just great that someone complaining about arrogance is doing it, in well, an arrogant way.

Lastly, I didn't say that is not what he meant to say. I said he did not say that. Which he did not. The title and your representation of the clip is incredibly misleading. I really don't know how else to put it.
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Her: I don't know how you can go through life being this insulted. Clearly there is nothing good that will ever come out of a debate between us. Yes I'm a sarcastic person. If you don't like it, don't engage in a debate with me. I don't comment on anything you post. You comment on mine.
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Random Girl 1: it was a seek, find, kill mission on going for 10 years executed by navy seals! if he didnt allow them to take him out he would pretty much be considered a terrorist himself. not h...See More
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Sat Sep 15, 2012 18:36:05

is she hot

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Sep 15, 2012 18:40:26

no. married with a kid too.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Sep 15, 2012 18:49:27

I think if you keep at it just a little bit longer, you'll bring her around.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 15, 2012 22:59:11

at this point libya is probably a truer ally to us than anyone else in the region, including israel, as long as benny is in charge. they are going hard to paint against these terrorists that attacked our embassy.

when we help push a legit uprising forward instead of trying to create a fake one, it seems to work out better.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Sep 16, 2012 02:51:35

Netantyahu going to appear on Meet the Press this week. Wonder what he's doing halfway around the world on a tv show during a crisis? Bombshell for Romney in 3....2....1.....
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sun Sep 16, 2012 03:41:09

CalvinBall wrote:
Her: Alex... you sure you listened to the right clip? He says he is "uniquely qualified" to handle relations with Muslims because he lived in the Middle East for part of his life, traveled there frequently and his half sister is Indonesian. He said the DAY he's inaugurated things would change. Give me a freakin' break.
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I'd have responded "Uhh, Indonesia isn't in the Middle East. It's in SE Asia."

(although I do have a nefarious side that likes poking the bear)
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Wheels Tupay » Sun Sep 16, 2012 09:44:47

td11 wrote:Image

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/u-e ... 21793.html

The U.S. called out the Muslim Brotherhood for apparently tweeting a different set of messages—a kind one in English, and one in Arabic with a different tone—as demonstrators and security forces were battling outside the embassy in Cairo.
The Muslim Brotherhood's English-language Twitter account (@Ikhwanweb) retweeted a message from deputy head Khairat el-Shater saying he was "relieved none of @USEmbassyCairo staff was harmed" and hoped U.S.-Egypt relations "will sustain [the] turbulence of Tuesday's events."

However, according to ahramonline.com, the Brotherhood's Arabic-language Twitter account and its website were praising the protests staged against a U.S.-made film that some Muslims deem insulting to the Prophet Muhammad. The Brotherhood's messages also called for a million-man march on Friday.

That prompted an interesting response from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo: "Thanks. By the way, have you checked out your own Arabic feeds? I hope you know we read those too."

Later the Brotherhood responded, "we understand you're under a lot of stress, but it will be more helpful if you point out exactly the Arabic feed of concern."


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