Joe Biden. Pierre Dupont. QED.

LEAVE ANDERSON COOPER ALONE!!!!!!

is that Jamie

swishnicholson wrote:LEAVE ANDERSON COOPER ALONE!!!!!!

I've seen that story on 4 different stations now. I guess I could see CNN running it just to clown on the guy, but wtf how is that news at all.

then my can opener broke

eatin' peanuts

protein shake give me diarrhea but you do what you gotta do to get marginally bigger by using it

Grotewold wrote:

jamiethekiller wrote:i don't really get it either.

why did they plead guilty in the first place?

It's an arcane thing called the Alford plea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alford_plea

Here's a good recap of the whole sordid story

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/19/ark ... ?hpt=hp_t1

i go to a lot of artsy/alternative/underground festivals and shows and have seen people in booths or handing out pamphlets about these guys for years and this kind of conclusion comes as a major shock. it seems like both the state and the defendants took the easy way out on this one. with the plea, the defendants don't risk what appears to be a conviction on a retrial, which would be very low though. the state, with the plea, pretty much does not allow the defendants to sue the state. the losers here of course are the victim's family. there are a lot of discrepancies with the evidence with this case and at least a retrial would allow a closer look and investigation. now it appears, it sounds like everything is over and you can all go home.

azrider wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

jamiethekiller wrote:i don't really get it either.

why did they plead guilty in the first place?

It's an arcane thing called the Alford plea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alford_plea

Here's a good recap of the whole sordid story

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/19/ark ... ?hpt=hp_t1

i go to a lot of artsy/alternative/underground festivals and shows and have seen people in booths or handing out pamphlets about these guys for years and this kind of conclusion comes as a major shock. it seems like both the state and the defendants took the easy way out on this one. with the plea, the defendants don't risk what appears to be a conviction on a retrial, which would be very low though. the state, with the plea, pretty much does not allow the defendants to sue the state. the losers here of course are the victim's family. there are a lot of discrepancies with the evidence with this case and at least a retrial would allow a closer look and investigation. now it appears, it sounds like everything is over and you can all go home.

I think after 18 years (and remember Echols was facing the needle) "taking the easy way out" doesn't exactly describe their decision to use the Alford plea.

Got propositioned to do the married girl again. Said no. Now I'm the bad guy. Yeah okay psycho.

TenuredVulture wrote:

azrider wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

jamiethekiller wrote:i don't really get it either.

why did they plead guilty in the first place?

It's an arcane thing called the Alford plea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alford_plea

Here's a good recap of the whole sordid story

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/19/ark ... ?hpt=hp_t1

i go to a lot of artsy/alternative/underground festivals and shows and have seen people in booths or handing out pamphlets about these guys for years and this kind of conclusion comes as a major shock. it seems like both the state and the defendants took the easy way out on this one. with the plea, the defendants don't risk what appears to be a conviction on a retrial, which would be very low though. the state, with the plea, pretty much does not allow the defendants to sue the state. the losers here of course are the victim's family. there are a lot of discrepancies with the evidence with this case and at least a retrial would allow a closer look and investigation. now it appears, it sounds like everything is over and you can all go home.

I think after 18 years (and remember Echols was facing the needle) "taking the easy way out" doesn't exactly describe their decision to use the Alford plea.

some hot shot attorney working pro bono with lack of any dna and messy police work with the lead investigator dead... sounds like an easy acquittal. heck, casey anthony's attorney sucked and she got off with what would be a better case against her. some new evidence would have to come up to get a conviction now.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Got propositioned to do the married girl again. Said no. Now I'm the bad guy. Yeah okay psycho.

at least you knew before hand. i hate it when they don't tell you and then between 2-4 am their phone is blowing up and they finally confess to you that they have a live-in boyfriend or a husband. i like to keep life a little adventuresome, but i do prefer not to get shot over some stupid chick. you got to stay away from that. while you may have the flash mobs back home, here in az i worry about those murder/suicides which i read about way to frequently.

azrider wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:

azrider wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

jamiethekiller wrote:i don't really get it either.

why did they plead guilty in the first place?

It's an arcane thing called the Alford plea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alford_plea

Here's a good recap of the whole sordid story

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/19/ark ... ?hpt=hp_t1

i go to a lot of artsy/alternative/underground festivals and shows and have seen people in booths or handing out pamphlets about these guys for years and this kind of conclusion comes as a major shock. it seems like both the state and the defendants took the easy way out on this one. with the plea, the defendants don't risk what appears to be a conviction on a retrial, which would be very low though. the state, with the plea, pretty much does not allow the defendants to sue the state. the losers here of course are the victim's family. there are a lot of discrepancies with the evidence with this case and at least a retrial would allow a closer look and investigation. now it appears, it sounds like everything is over and you can all go home.

I think after 18 years (and remember Echols was facing the needle) "taking the easy way out" doesn't exactly describe their decision to use the Alford plea.

some hot shot attorney working pro bono with lack of any dna and messy police work with the lead investigator dead... sounds like an easy acquittal. heck, casey anthony's attorney sucked and she got off with what would be a better case against her. some new evidence would have to come up to get a conviction now.

But remember, there already had been a conviction, which was why they were in jail. They would have to have a new trial, where acquittal was likely, but not definite. By taking the plea, they walk, for sure. After 18 years I think that's a reasonable choice. What I'm not sure is whether they can continue to pursue exoneration in the courts.

It is also interesting that parents of 2 of the 3 children killed are persuaded that Echols, Miskelly, and Baldwin are innocent.

yes

Louganis has really let himself go

fully expected the board to snap