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Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Mar 20, 2011 16:02:37

kruker wrote:
Bucky wrote:kruker, i'm trying to understand your thesis. You want to compensate for below median performance? What's the incentive then? "Oh well, this is good enough. I'm not gonna break my balls for just another couple G's".


Well....you do get more for over median performance. Typically equity grants are given as threshold, target and max payout levels. When a company uses a relative performance metric, the target payout usually is set at the median, so there is an incentive to perform better than average. What I'm concerned with is the scenario where executives see, sometime in the second half of the year, that they aren't going to be at the median and either start taking wild risks or lose the incentive to work.

I think incremental payouts solve this problem. I'd like to argue, if I can find the right studies, that compensation shouldn't just be about equitable pay, as I think is usually the case, but about equitable pay and risk mitigation. This is usually handled through the use of different performance metrics so an executive has other incentives to keep working or not go crazy, but I have seen enough instances where their equity awards are based on a single metric to want to go a little deeper.


Don't equity stakes serve this function?

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Postby kruker » Sun Mar 20, 2011 16:16:19

Yes, but not every company has stock ownership guidelines. There are ways outside of this singular award process to mitigate the risks I'm referring to, but I'm arguing that, in and of itself, an incremental award scheme with the target payout set at median performance creates less risk than one without below median payouts.

This all came from an issue at work. The model that we use to evaluate companies compensation programs punishes below median payouts for relative metrics. I'm not convinced that I'm right, hence the search, but from talking to the designers, I know they didn't consider the associated risks with an "all or nothing payout" scheme. With all the other built in factors it probably doesn't matter much, but I've had one borderline case where it looks like our recommendation is going to be a vote against a company's "say on pay" vote because of it.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Mar 20, 2011 16:22:51

On a whole nother but still economics topic: When I lived in NJ, I had simply taken it as an article of faith that NJ had the highest auto insurance rates in the nation. It was a common political issue, everyone said it was true, and let's be honest, NJ drivers are very aggressive, there's a lot of car theft, and it's densely populated. So it makes sense.

When I moved to Arkansas, I figured I'd save a ton on car insurance. But that turned out not to be the case. I was paying about the same, if not a bit more than I was in NJ with NJ Manufacturers (because they sent me a rebate every year.)

Now I see this: NJ doesn't have the highest insurance rates in the US. Not even close--it's 18th. Arkansas is 9th.

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Postby PrattRules » Sun Mar 20, 2011 16:48:34

Good News: My dad is making corned beef and cabbage.
Bad News: My dad said it's going to take three hours.
Good News: I got pizza rolls in the freezer.
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Postby The Dude » Sun Mar 20, 2011 18:38:52

my wife wanted me to read an article in the new yorker on procrastination. i told her i'd do it later.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 20, 2011 19:07:51

I didn't even know that song was by Chris Brown until I went to check to make sure the lyrics were right before I posted the thread

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Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Mar 20, 2011 19:28:07

I wonder if we have any tortilla chips

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 20, 2011 19:44:39

Just got an email about my Georgetown five year reunion

Like can't you sent that next week or something? Georgetown should be playing right now. TOO SOON

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Postby swishnicholson » Sun Mar 20, 2011 19:52:47

The Dude wrote:my wife wanted me to read an article in the new yorker on procrastination. i told her i'd do it later.

AHHAHAHAHAHA


It's against my nature to kill a joke, but I assume she's talking about the profile of therapist Barry Michels. I wouldn't have read it except, you know, it beat what I was supposed to be doing. It promised to be full of Hollywood claptrap with measure of Jungian claptrap mixed in for taste. And it was, but it also had some solid, interesting chunks floating around as well.

You might want to check it out. I mean when you get around to it. There's no rush.
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Postby The Dude » Sun Mar 20, 2011 19:57:41

my father-in-law also recommended it: by tearing it out of the mag, stapling it, and making notes in it
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Postby PrattRules » Sun Mar 20, 2011 20:00:30

That corned beef was great.
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Postby swishnicholson » Sun Mar 20, 2011 20:02:17

The Dude wrote:my father-in-law also recommended it: by tearing it out of the mag, stapling it, and making notes in it


Oh brother.
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Postby The Dude » Sun Mar 20, 2011 20:04:56

i'm mostly kidding: my wife is a therapist, so in addition to her wanting me to read it, he wanted her to read it too. just thought that sounded funny
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 20, 2011 20:07:09

PrattRules wrote:That corned beef was great.


Had corned beef today

I think it was the seventh consecutive day I had corned beef

It's gone now

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Postby 21McBride » Sun Mar 20, 2011 20:33:13

picked up a second lb. of corned beef yesterday - still got lots of Russian dressing to unload.

gonna be good lunches this week.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 20, 2011 20:35:48

Maybe it will be on clearance when I get to the supermarket tomorrow or Tuesday

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Postby phatj » Sun Mar 20, 2011 20:42:50

You know what's better than corned beef?

Smoked corned beef.

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Postby swishnicholson » Sun Mar 20, 2011 20:48:44

jerseyhoya wrote:Maybe it will be on clearance when I get to the supermarket tomorrow or Tuesday


It's good when it's shiny and all those different colors, right?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 20, 2011 20:50:28

I'll boil it to kill the germs

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Postby td11 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 21:03:52

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