kruker wrote:Little help?

I'm coming up empty on this. I'm trying to find some academic literature that deals with the effect "take it or leave it" incentives or rigid incentives have on risk taking. A psychology study or an economics study would work. A behavioral economics study would be a home run.

I guess I'm not using the correct terminology or something, because an hour and a half of searching should have produced something. Best I've got so far is a short paragraph from an ethics journal and a mention from Stiglitz in the 70's.

have you tried

http://scholar.google.com/

thanks...had no idea that existed. let's see if it works any better than regular google and jstor

FTN wrote:but is she hot

not even, or this wouldn't even be an issue. her entitlement is entirely unearned. i've done her multiple favors, too. probably should have just taken her family's dog to Broad Street instead of watching it.

in college, one of my friends was dating this real shrew of a girl. she wasnt cute, was a total bitch, very introverted, and he was so whipped. for like 6 months, id make very passive aggressive comments when she was around. he rolled his eyes, and secretly started to hate me because of the issues it caused with her. but everyone knew she was a wench, and that it would end. but no one else had the guts to tell him. one night there were like 6 of us in the back of my friend's truck, being carted to a party. we were all wasted. i made a crack about him being whipped, and he snapped. 10 seconds later he was choking me. I was so wasted that i started laughing hysterically before i pushed him away. he didnt talk to me for like 2 weeks. then he broke up with her and apologized to me for being a dick.

sometimes the secret is just being brutally honest with your friend. he'll see it eventually, and when he does, he'll show you a newfound respect for having the foresight to tell him that its a mistake to continue on with her.

and then you fucked her

i'm not disputing that, but i'm afraid that her passive aggressiveness has already given her the upper hand here, that if i return that volley i become the asshole all of a sudden. i'm a pretty lenient person who expects the same in return, at least among friends and acquaintances. he's a nice guy who will let me know when i need to do something that needs to be done. she doesn't understand our mutual respect, and some of her fights have started because she thinks he's a pussy for being an understanding person.

another thing that complicates things is the timing of all this. our lease ends at the end of June; he's at a crossroads of deciding whether he's going to move in with her or not, which at this point in their relationship is basically a decision of whether or not they're getting engaged. he's supposed to let us know by April what he's doing. so I'm thinking I'll give him until April. after that, it's likely I'll have no problem calling her bullshit in a party setting since that's how she operates anyway.

i would love to solve his relationship for him but i don't think starting a fight is going to wake him up if he's already fine with things the way they are. he should have cut this cord a long time ago. this is on him, not me. but like i said, i'll be diplomatic until i no longer have to be.

FTN wrote:in college, one of my friends was dating this real shrew of a girl. she wasnt cute, was a total bitch, very introverted, and he was so whipped. for like 6 months, id make very passive aggressive comments when she was around. he rolled his eyes, and secretly started to hate me because of the issues it caused with her. but everyone knew she was a wench, and that it would end. but no one else had the guts to tell him. one night there were like 6 of us in the back of my friend's truck, being carted to a party. we were all wasted. i made a crack about him being whipped, and he snapped. 10 seconds later he was choking me. I was so wasted that i started laughing hysterically before i pushed him away. he didnt talk to me for like 2 weeks. then he broke up with her and apologized to me for being a dick.

sometimes the secret is just being brutally honest with your friend. he'll see it eventually, and when he does, he'll show you a newfound respect for having the foresight to tell him that its a mistake to continue on with her.

Truth. I have a good friend who dated a girl on and off for as long as I can remember, 3 years or so, they'd have extended breakups but they'd always get together again. I knew everyone around him hated the girl, including his family, but I figured it wasn't my place to say anything since we weren't as close at the time and somebody closer had to have said something to him by this point.

Eventually, they got to another breakup, and I made a comment on a roadtrip about how nobody liked her anyway and he looked at me with this shocked look like it was being told to him for the first time. (This may have been aided by a female friend of mine calling her a "succubus bitch"). He was amazed that nobody had really liked her the whole time, and I couldn't believe all of his close friends hadn't even drunkenly said something about her.

Long story short, he hasn't dated her since, and that was a year ago, with no sign of going back other than one drunken night where he told me he was still in love with her. And now, we're better friends than we were before, so I guess the respect thing is true.

kruker wrote:Little help?

I'm coming up empty on this. I'm trying to find some academic literature that deals with the effect "take it or leave it" incentives or rigid incentives have on risk taking. A psychology study or an economics study would work. A behavioral economics study would be a home run.

I guess I'm not using the correct terminology or something, because an hour and a half of searching should have produced something. Best I've got so far is a short paragraph from an ethics journal and a mention from Stiglitz in the 70's.

search for "ultimatum game"

The Neural Basis of Economic Decision-Making in the Ultimatum Game

* Alan G. Sanfey,
* James K. Rilling,
* Jessica A. Aronson,
* Leigh E. Nystrom,
* and Jonathan D. Cohen

Science 13 June 2003: 300 (5626), 1755-1758.

Thanks. I'll start reading that now.

*Ok so that brings about a second risk. I've been focusing on increased risk due to rigid incentives...basically going wild to hit the target, but that article makes a case for saying "to hell with it" if the goals aren't attainable/fair.

I'm trying to argue that paying executives for below median performance (relative to their company's selected peer group) isn't a bad thing. Some pay, I think, is necessary to mitigate risk, even if it doesn't appear to be equitable to shareholders. So target equity award grants should be set at the peer median performance level, but, to reduce risk, there should be payouts below that level. I think for the equity awards to really function as incentives, the payouts have to be incremental, both above and below the targeted level.

Barry Jive wrote:list of board members i'd ask to make me a sandwich, in order of hypothetical deliciousness of the sandwich:

1. phatj
2. The Dude
3. Vox
4. dajafi
5. jamiethekiller

Late to the game, but you don't want Vox making you a sandwich, unless its a grilled cheese. He has good ideas, but depends on me for execution.

I just remembered him talking about making sandwiches at Wawa and being generous with the ingredients. I presumed he had some technique to go along with it, but I guess he's more of a quantity than a quality guy.

Must've been "back in the day". I notice at Wawa now all the portions are pre-allocated, so unless you "double up", the poor sandwich architect doesn't even have the option to be generous...except for maybe oil, mayo, and oregano...

Barry Jive wrote:I just remembered him talking about making sandwiches at Wawa and being generous with the ingredients. I presumed he had some technique to go along with it, but I guess he's more of a quantity than a quality guy.

Now we cross into the hoagie vs. sandwich territory, where I call a sandwich something on bread/toast, not a roll. I find the sandwiches he makes lacking ingredients.

However, he has good ideas on hoagies, usually stuff I forget, like toasting the roll, and melting the cheese on the broiler (for cheesesteaks and the like).

So basically, Vox and I together are a kick-ass sandwich/hoagie-making team.

You do however, want Vox making you an omelette. Ever since he learned, I have abdicated this responsibility to him. He is also responsible for the "making" of beans and franks, since only he and BabyVox that that mess.

Oh boy. Wings, pizza, roast pork, crab fries, mussels, and three personal pitchers of beer is a dangerous combination. Thank god for lifting and stickball today or I'd have a +3 pound weekend.

guy who wanted to smoke his cigarettes in his hotel room was upset that someone was smoking legal marijuana before him

my favorite line:

Schanaman says he called Thornton Police and officers responded to the motel.

THEY WERE ON THE NON-CASE!!! Someone get Nancy Grace on this ish

Sweet, now I'm prepared in case I ever find myself in the Vox house!


Could not have chosen a better March Saturday for this softball game. PUMPED.

this is a picture of teachers in the local rag:



i like to imagine they just randomly caught them stopping in the hall like that

plus, hey there on the left, how are you?