Truck Yourself, This is the NEW Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Thu Feb 04, 2010 19:37:30

TenuredVulture wrote:By the way, I grew up in a town that had a K-8 school districts and then went to another regional school district for high school. The next town over also had a K-8 school district, and then to the same high school. So, for an area with a total population of about 15k, there are three school districts, three superintendents, and so forth. However, it's not entirely clear that consolidation would really save much money--you'd probably have at least two assistant superintendents in such a district.


I live in a receiving district and we are going through this situation right now. We (and our TWO sending districts) have been mandated to share our super in some way, shape or form or our county super is going to redline our administration budget.

This, of course, comes at a time when bad funding news is coming down from Trenton. Overall, I suspect we are going to lose over $2.0 million in funding this year. And we all know who is going to build that bridge.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Feb 04, 2010 23:04:07

I was just surveyed by Farleigh Dickinson. I think the country is on the wrong track, I like Obama, want to legalize internet gambling including sports gambling, but I myself don't like casinos or places that have casinos. Also, I am in favor of televising supreme court proceedings. I am against an 18 year term for federal judges.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Feb 04, 2010 23:20:33

Question Time explained by Nate

This is quite the coalition of actors from across the spectrum

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Postby dajafi » Thu Feb 04, 2010 23:26:11

jerseyhoya wrote:Question Time explained by Nate

This is quite the coalition of actors from across the spectrum


I'd like to see it happen, and I signed the petition, but part of me does feel like what made that event last week so compelling and interesting was the spontaneity of it. Routinize these things too much and they become bad theater. Like presidential debates, which I remember as being much more interesting when I was first watching them ('88, '92) than they are now.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Feb 04, 2010 23:28:01

Yeah I'm not sure how frequently I would like it to happen, but I think it would be a good thing on the whole for our democracy. I have signed the petition and am now a fan on Facebook and follow them on Twitter! I'm all in.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Feb 05, 2010 01:05:05

This LG story in Illinois is quickly climbing into the pantheon of most ridiculous campaign stories ever.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYfAgaas4aY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Background on what has come out so far.

Thing is by the end of the youtube I feel bad for him. He put all this stuff out there, spent his money to get elected, and now people are paying attention and want him to drop out. He's clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I think he means well. Other than the scary beating up women stuff anyway.

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Postby kruker » Fri Feb 05, 2010 08:33:52

Let’s talk for a moment about budget reality. Contrary to what you often hear, the large deficit the federal government is running right now isn’t the result of runaway spending growth. Instead, well more than half of the deficit was caused by the ongoing economic crisis, which has led to a plunge in tax receipts, required federal bailouts of financial institutions, and been met — appropriately — with temporary measures to stimulate growth and support employment.

The point is that running big deficits in the face of the worst economic slump since the 1930s is actually the right thing to do. If anything, deficits should be bigger than they are because the government should be doing more than it is to create jobs.

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The trouble, however, is that it’s apparently hard for many people to tell the difference between cynical posturing and serious economic argument. And that is having tragic consequences.

For the fact is that thanks to deficit hysteria, Washington now has its priorities all wrong: all the talk is about how to shave a few billion dollars off government spending, while there’s hardly any willingness to tackle mass unemployment. Policy is headed in the wrong direction — and millions of Americans will pay the price.


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Postby dajafi » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:20:30

Sen Shelby has issued a "blanket hold" on all executive branch appointments, evidently to free up a few hundred million in pork for his state.

A hold can be overcome with 60 votes, but it seems that every single Republican agrees that Shelby's pork is more important than helping to staff the government.

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Postby traderdave » Fri Feb 05, 2010 13:03:18

dajafi wrote:Sen Shelby has issued a "blanket hold" on all executive branch appointments, evidently to free up a few hundred million in pork for his state.

A hold can be overcome with 60 votes, but it seems that every single Republican agrees that Shelby's pork is more important than helping to staff the government.


Whether you consider yourself a Democrat or a Republicans this kind of shit HAS to get your blood boiling. If the assertions of the article are correct, Shelby is publicly blackmailing the President of the United States. Is there any other way to see it?

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Feb 05, 2010 13:04:49

Maybe Shelby can pay for the earmarks himself out of his campaign account.

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Postby thephan » Fri Feb 05, 2010 18:23:14

Many the Tea Party 600 are making news why? They seem to be much less the libertarian leaning persons with a social conscious and bend to fiscal responsibility and more just a rebrand of the most rabid of the far-far right. Too far either direction is messy. Then there is the speaker schedule and feature topics that were put together. Palin get $100K to speak, and Tancredo just disgusted me.

I liked the idea of what they said they were before they got together, but now that they are in a room, it is disappointing. Its all Republican all the time of the noted speakers. I was hoping for centererists, not that I am interested in a party I say as the happy independent.

The good news is that they formed a PAC so they can assert themselves by pushing money to candidates to their choosing in the form they like best, thus grabbing a hold of the Supreme Court decision that they, themselves decry.

Some quotes from the Washington Post:

"Tancredo received a standing ovation when he said multiculturalism and immigration are "a threat to us."

'"People who couldn't even spell the word 'vote,' or say it in English, put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House. His name is Barack Hussein Obama." The audience booed at the mention of Obama. ' - Tancredo
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Postby Philly the Kid » Fri Feb 05, 2010 19:37:55

So the Rep party is now the "No" party huh...

Calif is one of only 3 states that require 2/3 to pass a budget. The 2 shot in the senate and 4 short in the house (dems) -- crazy deals have been done. When Rep does anything - even cuts a sleazy deal to go along with the most minor of Dem policies, the rep caucus revokes and tunrs on their man. This is not democracy.

The corporate influence on elections has never stopped in Calif., it's been here eve before the Supreme Court voted to open the flood gates for the nation.

Imagine if you will - for just a moment -- what politics could look ike if there was 0 - that's Zero lobbyist input and corporate money. That there was a diff election campain system based on establishing some support with $5 donations from thousands and then the funds were equal for all qualified candidates from there on out?

Gee... that would be more representative of the people and honest and fair democracy.

And if we're not doing the proportional representation thing -- then 50.1% is the majority and shouldn't be held hostage by the "No" party, which won't cut miliatary and security and prison spending, but will cut education, and social programs ...

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Postby dajafi » Sat Feb 06, 2010 19:51:37

"This reporter puts the blame squarely on you":

Anybody who says you can't have it both ways clearly hasn't been spending much time reading opinion polls lately. One year ago, 59 percent of the American public liked the stimulus plan, according to Gallup. A few months later, with the economy still deeply mired in recession, a majority of the same size said Obama was spending too much money on it. There's nothing wrong with changing your mind, of course, but opinion polls over the last year reflect something altogether more troubling: a country that simultaneously demands and rejects action on unemployment, deficits, health care, climate change, and a whole host of other major problems. Sixty percent of Americans want stricter regulations of financial institutions. But nearly the same proportion says we're suffering from too much regulation on business. That kind of illogic—or, if you prefer, susceptibility to rhetorical manipulation—is what locks the status quo in place.

At the root of this kind of self-contradiction is our historical, nationally characterological ambivalence about government. We want Washington and the states to fix all of our problems now. At the same time, we want government to shrink, spend less, and reduce our taxes. We dislike government in the abstract: According to CNN, 67 percent of people favor balancing the budget even when the country is in a recession or a war, which is madness. But we love government in the particular: Even larger majorities oppose the kind of spending cuts that would reduce projected deficits, let alone eliminate them. Nearly half the public wants to cancel the Obama stimulus, and a strong majority doesn't want another round of it. But 80-plus percent of people want to extend unemployment benefits and to spend more money on roads and bridges. There's another term for that stuff: more stimulus spending.
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The politicians thriving at the moment are the ones who embody this live-for-the-today mentality, those best able to call for the impossible with a straight face. Take Scott Brown, the newly elected Senator from Massachusetts. Brown wants government to take in less revenue: He has signed a no-new-taxes pledge and called for an across-the-board tax cut on families and businesses. But Brown doesn't want government to spend any less money: He opposes reductions in Medicare payments and all other spending cuts of any significance. He says we can lower deficits above 10 percent of GDP—the largest deficits since World War II, deficits so large that they threaten our future as the world's leading military and economic power—simply by cutting government waste. No sensible person who has spent five minutes looking at the budget thinks that's remotely possible. The charitable interpretation is that Brown embodies naive optimism, an approach to politics that Ronald Reagan left as one of his more dubious legacies to Republican Party. A better explanation is that Brown is consciously pandering to the public's ignorance and illusions the same way the rest of his Republican colleagues are.

I don't mean to suggest that honesty is what separates the two parties. Increasingly, the crucial distinction is between the minority of serious politicians in either party who are prepared to speak directly about our choices, on the one hand, and the majority who indulge the public's delusions, on the other. I would put President Obama and his economic team in the first group, along with California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Republicans are more indulgent of the public's unrealism in general, but Democrats have spent years fostering their own forms of denial. Where Republicans encourage popular myths about taxes, spending, and climate change, Democrats tend to stoke our fantasies about the sustainability of entitlement spending as well as about the cost of new programs.

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Postby The Nightman Cometh » Sat Feb 06, 2010 20:15:11

Anthony Weiner was on the Daily Show the other night and I really got a kick out of him. I pariticularly liked when he said if he had chose to run against Bloomberg he would have "beaten Bloomberg like a rented mule".
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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Feb 06, 2010 20:55:21

dajafi wrote:
susceptibility to rhetorical manipulation

nationally characterological ambivalence about government.

A better explanation is that Brown is consciously pandering to the public's ignorance and illusions the same way the rest of his Republican colleagues are.


I try not to say it anymore because I've been accused of being elitist ... but the flip-floppy of polls -- is that most Americans simply don't know what's really going on, don't understand how things really work, and are vulnerable to sound bytes, slogans, and manipulation via a corporate and sinister media machine that allows the right-wing pundits and others to frame debate and define the vernacular.

As well, when both parties legitimize whether its red baiting or fear of bogeymen terrorists to justify all kinds of policies and expenditures, when the dots remain un-connected and it appears things happen in isolation, when there can be no serious discussion of class, race, and gender disparitites and inequities... when there is so little historical context -- well then you get a short-attention-span short-term-memory desperation from the populace, where people just want to worry about themselves. Blue Cross is raising my already exhorbitant PPO rates by 39% ... who represents me against the mega-corp?

This mechanisms and institutions and beaurocracies are so large, that few people have the time to put it all together. To see how things work. And the "anti-corparate" mantra of people like me fall on deaf ears as hyperbolic at worst and over-simplified at best. But without a good understanding on how things got here -- a view of history, and without a class analysis, and some discussion about what is right , fair, reasonable...

I would contend, given enough perspective and info, the MAJORITY of people in the USA and the world, would support policies that made the world more egalitarian. I'm sorry if this is to abstract or non-specific for most of you that enjoy the minutaie of what reporter said what and what politician said what, and what bill has a shot to pass or not...

I think the real discussion needs to start somewhere else. It can't start inside a system that is rigged, and already assumes that the system itself has to be preserved as-is, toward self-sustaining.

I don't know if any of you have seen the docu-tainment "The Corporation", but it really just makes a lot of things -plain.

We don't have to become socialists to be more fair, less war mongering, less corrupt, less toxic, less exploitative, and less hypocritical. Let's get the money and the corporations distanced from the process let's get people in government who are there doing the people's work, and dealing with fundamentals, and let's have national debate in a serious way about what Americans can and should expect to be provided to them and subsidized by govt., and then we can talk about whether or not the money is there to afford it all or not?

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Postby dajafi » Sat Feb 06, 2010 21:18:34

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Anthony Weiner was on the Daily Show the other night and I really got a kick out of him. I pariticularly liked when he said if he had chose to run against Bloomberg he would have "beaten Bloomberg like a rented mule".


He pussed out of that race. Had been talking big for more than a year, then was told by the Bloomberg team that "if you run against us and our bottomless bank account, you'll not only lose, but we will ruin you so badly that you'll never win an election again." So he dropped out.

I met Weiner the summer of 2008, when he was getting ready to make that race--he came in to talk with me and my colleagues for policy ideas that he could raise against the mayor. He's not dumb by any stretch, but also not remotely as smart as he thinks he is. Really foul-mouthed too. I found him a bit disappointing, as I'd voted for him in the primary in '05 and would have considered supporting him against Bloomberg if he'd won that contest. (The nominee that year was Freddy Ferrer, who was almost a parody of the pathetic '70s vintage special-pleader liberal.)

He made the "Dead to Me" list (speaking of Colbert...) when he immediately and somewhat gleefully pronounced health care reform kaput after Brown's win a few weeks back because he and the super-principled House liberals wouldn't accept the Senate bill. Of course, if he was so fucking principled, he should have made the race against Bloomberg.

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Postby kimbatiste » Sat Feb 06, 2010 22:56:30

I'm pretty sure Sarah Palin just said "idiosecrecies".

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Feb 07, 2010 02:45:25

Liking Weiner for anything he said about the NYC mayoral election is absolutely hilarious.

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Postby kopphanatic » Sun Feb 07, 2010 08:59:00

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Postby kopphanatic » Sun Feb 07, 2010 08:59:39

You're the conductor Ruben. Time to blow the whistle!

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