pacino wrote:It really makes no sense for anyone who identifies themselves as progresive or liberal to vote for or root for Brown to win. Will he help advantage their agenda? No. I find these types of voters the most annoying, as it almost seems like they're holding a little temper tantrum because they don't get their way right away. So what they've decided to do is to work against their goals because they feel like it. It makes no sense to me. It's simply illogical.

Coakley is no great shakes, but who cares, really? Brown will not vote for ANYTHING that you (war, ptk, etc) hold dear. WHy are you rooting for him to 'shove it up Obama's ass'? I mean really. This is why the Democratic party is just a joke. They let themselves get in their own damn way with petty infighting. They hold so much right now, have been slowly getting a lot of important legislation on the table, and people want to throw it away because things are going fast enough for them. WEll guess what, I don't think those people understand how policymaking works, or how long it takes to advance an entire agenda.


Vox is completely correct that Brown isn't really campaigning on anything here. He's portraying himself as a moderate, which he of course isn't. That's the way it's been done in the past to have more conservative candidates elected when the numbers say they really shouldn't have a chance. It truly amazes me how easily moderate and progressive Democrats are basically tricked into staying home or changing their votes. THIS IS HOW RICK SANTORUM GOT ELECTED. This is how Pat Toomey may get elected, by ignoring the super conservative aspects of his record. It's really so transparent to me, and so obvious, and yet people continually buy it.

Warszawa wrote:

pacino wrote:It really makes no sense for anyone who identifies themselves as progresive or liberal to vote for or root for Brown to win. Will he help advantage their agenda? No. I find these types of voters the most annoying, as it almost seems like they're holding a little temper tantrum because they don't get their way right away. So what they've decided to do is to work against their goals because they feel like it. It makes no sense to me. It's simply illogical.

Coakley is no great shakes, but who cares, really? Brown will not vote for ANYTHING that you (war, ptk, etc) hold dear. WHy are you rooting for him to 'shove it up Obama's ass'? I mean really. This is why the Democratic party is just a joke. They let themselves get in their own damn way with petty infighting. They hold so much right now, have been slowly getting a lot of important legislation on the table, and people want to throw it away because things are going fast enough for them. WEll guess what, I don't think those people understand how policymaking works, or how long it takes to advance an entire agenda.


Vox is completely correct that Brown isn't really campaigning on anything here. He's portraying himself as a moderate, which he of course isn't. That's the way it's been done in the past to have more conservative candidates elected when the numbers say they really shouldn't have a chance. It truly amazes me how easily moderate and progressive Democrats are basically tricked into staying home or changing their votes. THIS IS HOW RICK SANTORUM GOT ELECTED. This is how Pat Toomey may get elected, by ignoring the super conservative aspects of his record. It's really so transparent to me, and so obvious, and yet people continually buy it.

This is why the two-party system is broken (along with a lot of other things right now in this country). Obviously a lot of liberals are pissed about, among other things, what this joke of a health care bill has become and the Obama administration's ongoing commitment to war. Obama also talked of real change, but has just given people some left-leaning policy changes within the restraints of a system he said was broken. Unfortunately when you feel slighted by one party you go to the other.

kopphanatic wrote:People get sucked in by imagery, like the guys who voted for Bush because he seemed like a cool guy to have a beer with

jerseyhoya wrote:Shoot me. Erick Erickson on the CNN panel.

Warszawa wrote:Obama also talked of real change, but has just given people some left-leaning policy changes within the restraints of a system he said was broken. Unfortunately when you feel slighted by one party you go to the other.

jerseyhoya wrote:I think we're going to lose

jerseyhoya wrote:I think we're going to lose