First came Caroline Kennedy, then Patrick Kennedy, and tonight at the Portuguese Social Club, Bobby Kennedy, Jr. appeared in support of Gov. Jon Corzine.

Heedless of specific state issues, Kennedy went right for the jugular.

"We cannot reward Republicans for what they did to this country during the eight years prior to Barack Obama," said the son of the late Attorney General and 1968 candidate for president. "How can Chris Christie come over and seriously run for governor? It's time for them (Republicans) to sit down and let someone else run the state."

Is this what you people, yes I said you people, say at your rallies?

I mean really. We haven't had a say in how the state was run since the Dems took over the state senate 6 years ago. Time for us to sit down and let someone else run the state? We've been sitting down, and we're watching the state spin around the bowl as it's being flushed. Go fuck your crazy environmentalist, out of state self in the ass with your trust fund forged silver spoon, you piece of shit.

Lead story at politicsnj tonight. Good lord.

JH, I imagine that how you feel about the dems and Jersey politics is pretty similar to how I feel about the GOP and national politics. Corruption and ineptitude, and failure after failure, all while your party flounders as the populace ignores all evidence of what's causing the problem.

I don't like Christie, but it would be nice if a legit independent or moderate republican could make some progress there because the ruling party has been a corrupt disaster.

You tell 'em.

On a side note, because jersey mentioned the word environmentalist, I read a pretty good article in Outside mag this month on a kind of revising of conservation philosophy among major conservation organizations, where they don't,as one guy in the article put it, "sequester" nature off from people, and rather aim for a kind of zen balance to benefit both. If I can find a link I'll post it.

It's just frustrating. I think the state might be borderline impossible to govern at this point, but I know another four years of a Democratic governor working with a solidly Democratic legislature isn't going to fix any of the underlying problems. I know this because on the whole we haven't made any progress in the last six years of this setup.

The thing I've been saying to my mom as I lobby her to vote for Christie is at least when he gets elected all of Corzine's bought and paid for by lobbyists/Dem interest groups political appointees will be out of work, and it might take an additional year or two for all of Christie's to become corrupted.

That's really sad that's a selling point in American politics. Not surprising in the least, but still sad.

JH, your mom really might not vote for Christie? I know it's an n-size of 1, but that seems to be a bad sign. If Christie can't get moderate to conservative suburban women, I can't see how he could win.

Now, all along, I've thought the the race was really Christie's to lose but as you know, I'm not on the ground there, and the polls seem to indicate I might be wrong about that at this point.

My mom voted for every Dem presidential candidate in her life until Dole in 1996, whom she voted for just cause my uncle was his deputy pollster. She voted for Gore in 2000, McGreevey in 2001. She voted for Bush in 2004 cause I was volunteering for him. I don't know if she voted for Obama or McCain. She usually only votes for Republicans when she has a familial interest, although she really can't stand Corzine or her teachers union.

jerseyhoya wrote:

First came Caroline Kennedy, then Patrick Kennedy, and tonight at the Portuguese Social Club, Bobby Kennedy, Jr. appeared in support of Gov. Jon Corzine.

Heedless of specific state issues, Kennedy went right for the jugular.

"We cannot reward Republicans for what they did to this country during the eight years prior to Barack Obama," said the son of the late Attorney General and 1968 candidate for president. "How can Chris Christie come over and seriously run for governor? It's time for them (Republicans) to sit down and let someone else run the state."

Is this what you people, yes I said you people, say at your rallies?

I mean really. We haven't had a say in how the state was run since the Dems took over the state senate 6 years ago. Time for us to sit down and let someone else run the state? We've been sitting down, and we're watching the state spin around the bowl as it's being flushed. Go $#@! your crazy environmentalist, out of state self in the ass with your trust fund forged silver spoon, you piece of $#@!.

Lead story at politicsnj tonight. Good lord.

To be sure, that'd piss me off too.

OTOH, were I a voter in NY-23, I might also be annoyed that people like Sarah Palin, who have shown themselves to painfully ignorant even of their own local issues, deign to use my community as a battleground for "the soul of the Republican Party" with a candidate who seems to know relatively little about the district he'd like to represent.

Speaking of which, Scozzafava or whatever her name is dropped out this morning. Now there's a decent chance that Hoffman wins with a majority or something close (she'll still be on the ballot, for whatever that's worth), but probably only if turnout is low.

Really nice statement actually from the lady whose last name I can't spell. Considering she's been getting obliterated from the left and the right for a while, hard to be classy like that.

Alright, I never really chose a side but I have viewpoints. I don't really pay too much attention, but if there's someone out there who knows, tell me what side I'm on.

I'm 70% concerned for today, 30% concerned for tomorrow
I think we should drill for oil in Alaska
I believe than amnesty for illegals is a terrible idea
I voted for Obama, listen to Limbaugh (occasionally)
I don't believe the world is heating up out of control
I used to enjoy NASCAR but not it's just an annoyance
I think we should send more troops into the Middle East
I am not willing to give up privacy in favor for security
I think Bush was the worst president since Buchanan
I believe if we force others to end their nuclear programs, we should end ours as well
I believe in a woman's right to choose
I believe in the death penalty
I believe 9-11 was an inside job
I believe in Harvey Dent, even after the fact
I believe in free speech, but I also believe in being able to react to it

What side am I on?

ReadingPremium wrote:I believe 9-11 was an inside job

What side am I on?

There's someone here you may want to talk to about this

Scahigow[hozza endorsed Owens. I take back anything nice I said about her.

jerseyhoya wrote:

First came Caroline Kennedy, then Patrick Kennedy, and tonight at the Portuguese Social Club, Bobby Kennedy, Jr. appeared in support of Gov. Jon Corzine.

Heedless of specific state issues, Kennedy went right for the jugular.

"We cannot reward Republicans for what they did to this country during the eight years prior to Barack Obama," said the son of the late Attorney General and 1968 candidate for president. "How can Chris Christie come over and seriously run for governor? It's time for them (Republicans) to sit down and let someone else run the state."

Is this what you people, yes I said you people, say at your rallies?

I mean really. We haven't had a say in how the state was run since the Dems took over the state senate 6 years ago. Time for us to sit down and let someone else run the state? We've been sitting down, and we're watching the state spin around the bowl as it's being flushed. Go $#@! your crazy environmentalist, out of state self in the ass with your trust fund forged silver spoon, you piece of $#@!.

Lead story at politicsnj tonight. Good lord.

In PA, we focus more on the local issues, but if you bring in an out of state speaker, I guess you get a national theme. It would have been wiser to blame Whitman for trashing the state's finances.

jerseyhoya wrote:Scahigow[hozza endorsed Owens. I take back anything nice I said about her.

Why? She's been true to her beliefs. The national party heads opposed her in the general election and the right pushed her to withdraw, which she did. She certainly has more of a right to voice her opinion about who would best represent the district than do Palin or Pawlenty. She lives there, she knows and presumably understands the local population and its needs.

She has every right to endorse whoever she wants. But she's a Republican and she's endorsing a Democrat so I have every right to strongly dislike her traitorous self.

I liked that Hoffman took the perfectly named Dick Armey to a meeting with a local editorial board, couldn't answer their questions about the district, and then hid behind Armey's attacking their questions as "parochial."

Also, I think Hoffman was grown in a lab from stray Steve Forbes DNA:

You have a right to think whatever you like of her, but traitorous seems a stretch, given that the national party leaders turned on her first. A more pertinent question would seem to be how to national Republican officeholders and Presidential contenders get away with endorsing the third party candidate.

The national Republican Party spent almost $1,000,000 trying to get her elected, even attacking Hoffman in the process. She's a sniveling bitch, and/or a Democrat. If she cared about the future of the party, she wouldn't be endorsing a fucking Democrat.

jerseyhoya wrote:The national Republican Party spent almost $1,000,000 trying to get her elected, even attacking Hoffman in the process. She's a sniveling bitch, and/or a Democrat. If she cared about the future of the party, she wouldn't be endorsing a $#@! Democrat.

Or maybe she thinks that the future of the party is better served by running electable candidates who are in sync with the views of their constituents, rather than kowtowing to tantrum-throwing ideologues with no interest in governing.

This is a little like if the Democrats tried to run Kucinich types in the South. Yeah, if turnout is low enough, and it might be in an off-year, maybe you win. But it's neither a good party-building strategy nor a replicable model to win lots of elections. You're smarter about this stuff than I am, so I have to assume you know this and are just emotional on this one.

I don't think Hoffman=Kucinich is even close to being a reasonable comp

He's a bit to the right of the district, and isn't an experienced politician, but I think he's probably fine