Full of Passionate Intensity: POLITICS THREAD

Postby Werthless » Mon Oct 26, 2009 13:45:42

drsmooth wrote:
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Howard Kurtz: I looked into it, checked with other networks, and the consensus was that the Treasury did try to exclude Fox from the round of Ken Feinberg interviews. Plus, Fox says the White House apologized for the incident. The five networks pay for a pool camera, so they have an interest - financial as well as journalistic solidarity - for not wanting any member excluded.


thank you. How much room could Obama be expected to put between himself & whomever might be the 'genius' behind these maneuvers (*cough* Emmanuel *cough*)

I doubt he'll do anything publicly, and I can't say it's worth doing anything. I think the Obama admin received the message, however, that the media (the major outlets) will not tolerate manipulation. And that's all that matters.

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Postby drsmooth » Mon Oct 26, 2009 14:16:44

Werthless wrote: I think the Obama admin received the message, however, that the media (the major outlets) will not tolerate manipulation. And that's all that matters.


you mean singling out for "special treatment". They're all manipulated.
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Postby dajafi » Mon Oct 26, 2009 18:12:36

Meanwhile, the Security State keeps growing...

The Obama administration has clung for so long to the Bush administration’s expansive claims of national security and executive power that it is in danger of turning President George W. Bush’s cover-up of abuses committed in the name of fighting terrorism into President Barack Obama’s cover-up.

We have had recent reminders of this dismaying retreat from Mr. Obama’s passionate campaign promises to make a break with Mr. Bush’s abuses of power, a shift that denies justice to the victims of wayward government policies and shields officials from accountability.
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In the United States, the Obama administration is in the process of appealing a sound federal appellate court ruling last April in a civil lawsuit by Mr. Mohamed and four others. All were victims of the government’s extraordinary rendition program, under which foreigners were kidnapped and flown to other countries for interrogation and torture.

In that case, the Obama administration has repeated a disreputable Bush-era argument that the executive branch is entitled to have lawsuits shut down whenever it makes a blanket claim of national security. The ruling rejected that argument and noted that the government’s theory would “effectively cordon off all secret actions from judicial scrutiny, immunizing the C.I.A. and its partners from the demands and limits of the law.”

The Obama administration has aggressively pursued such immunity in numerous other cases beyond the ones involving Mr. Mohamed. We do not take seriously the government’s claim that it is trying to protect intelligence or avoid harm to national security.


See also here.

We know the rules by now, the strange conventions and stilted Kabuki scripts that govern our cartoon facsimile of a national security debate. The Obama administration makes vague, reassuring noises about constraining executive power and protecting civil liberties, but then merrily adopts whatever appalling policy George W. Bush put in place. Conservatives hit the panic button on the right-wing noise machine anyway, keeping the delicate ecosystem in balance by creating the false impression that something has changed. We've watched the formula play out with Guantánamo Bay, torture prosecutions and the invocation of "state secrets." We appear to be on the verge of doing the same with national security surveillance.

Last week, the Senate Judiciary Committee seemed to abandon hope of bringing any real change to the Patriot Act. A lopsided and depressingly bipartisan majority approved legislation that would reauthorize a series of expanded surveillance powers set to expire at the end of the year. Several senators had proposed that reauthorization be wedded to safeguards designed to protect the privacy of innocent Americans from indiscriminate data dragnets--but behind-the-scenes maneuvering by the Obama administration ensured that even the most modest of these were stripped from the final bill now being sent to the full Senate.

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Postby uncle milt » Mon Oct 26, 2009 20:21:12

is "he fought against child predators as a prosecutor" really something to brag about in your campaign commercial?

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 27, 2009 00:14:49

TPaw endorsing Hoffman in NY-23. First sitting GOP gov to endorse the Conservative candidate.

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Postby dajafi » Tue Oct 27, 2009 13:43:16

Worst. Endorsement. Ever.*

The primary and runoff votes last month drew record-low turnout. Bloomberg is pretty clearly going to win next week, but nobody other than maybe his fellow media moguls has any enthusiasm for this. If he wins by 10 points with 20 percent voting, that doesn't say much about him, and says even less about Thompson, who's run a comprehensively awful campaign.

*Okay, maybe not "ever." Supposedly in late October 1968, while covering the World Series for Life magazine, Gene McCarthy endorsed Hubert Humphrey by saying something like "I'm voting for Humphrey, and I don't see why you shouldn't suffer with me."

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 27, 2009 16:24:33

What is the thinking behind electing judges?

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 27, 2009 16:36:03

jerseyhoya wrote:What is the thinking behind electing judges?


Democracy.
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Postby philliesphhan » Tue Oct 27, 2009 18:07:49

Anybody hear about Obama's "thesis"?
"My hip is fucked up. I'm going to Africa for two weeks."

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Postby Werthless » Tue Oct 27, 2009 18:16:39

philliesphhan wrote:Anybody hear about Obama's "thesis"?

Ah yes, the "thesis" which contained snippets of distributive justice. Too funny. It seems like more of a story about journalismthan politics. :)

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Postby allentown » Tue Oct 27, 2009 18:55:59

TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:What is the thinking behind electing judges?


Democracy.

Not really, since they are pretty unique among office seekers in claiming ethical considerations and refusing to discuss their views on any issue of significance.
We now know that Amaro really is running the Phillies. He and Monty seem to have ignored the committee.
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Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 27, 2009 19:15:45

Werthless wrote:
philliesphhan wrote:Anybody hear about Obama's "thesis"?

Ah yes, the "thesis" which contained snippets of distributive justice. Too funny. It seems like more of a story about journalismthan politics. :)


It's yet another story about Rush & Co being brimful of thesis. nothing new here.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 27, 2009 20:37:21

Mark Blumenthal (pollster.com guy, used to be Mystery Pollster) calls Nate Silver a little bitch, more or less.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 27, 2009 22:51:25

Daggett was on with Neil Cavuto today, and Cavuto spent 60% of the interview accusing Daggett of running to get Corzine reelected. I started yelling at the TV telling him to ask him what he wanted to do as governor, and then asked my dad how he can stand cable news for about the 40th time since moving home.

To be fair, I really wish he wasn't running because even though he's running for good reasons and all, and Cavuto was being a dick, it really looks like he's giving us four more years of Corzine

Anyway I really liked this commercial

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BJH6yWUyKg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

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Postby Harpua » Tue Oct 27, 2009 22:56:17

Refreshing change of pace in a political ad.

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Postby Werthless » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:12:00

For more than a dozen years now, the Gallup Poll has been using two questions to categorize respondents by ideology:

* Some people think the government is trying to do too many things that should be left to individuals and businesses. Others think that government should do more to solve our country’s problems. Which comes closer to your own view?

* Some people think the government should promote traditional values in our society. Others think the government should not favor any particular set of values. Which comes closer to your own view?

Answer A for question 1, and B for question 2, and Gallup classifies you as libertarian. And that number is slowly rising. Interestingly, there was no change in the last year. It's just that if you tell people that “libertarian” means “fiscally conservative and socially liberal,” 44 percent will accept the label.


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Postby dajafi » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:58:11

Schwarzenegger sends a message

This would win my vote, were I a Californian or he able to run again.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:03:42

That's great

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Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:29:47

jerseyhoya wrote:Mark Blumenthal (pollster.com guy, used to be Mystery Pollster) calls Nate Silver a little bitch, more or less.


Blumenthal probably protests too much; the curiously-shaped Adirondacks-ringing district's population of rugged 65 year olds is at/around 12%, and while that group certainly votes disproportionately, it seems unlikely to turn out at the rate B would apparently hope it does. It could happen, but there's plenty of room for debate.

So it's not that great a stretch to imagine the conservative pollsters are being a touch hopeful in terms of the demographic mix of the turnout.
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