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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Thu Dec 11, 2008 13:16:19

Phan In Phlorida wrote:Officials say Jesse Jackson Jr. was "Candidate 5" in Blagojevich case

Mr. Jackson was described in an affidavit filed in (governor) Blagojevich's arrest as one of at least six people being considered by the governor to fill President-elect Barack Obama’s unfinished term in the United States Senate in exchange for money or a (high-paying job for Blagojevich or his wife).
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Of those alluded to, the affidavit’s implications seemed especially troubling for Mr. Jackson, or Senate Candidate Five. According to the document, Mr. Blagojevich told advisers last Thursday that he was giving Mr. Jackson "greater consideration" to replace Mr. Obama because Mr. Jackson would raise money for him, "upfront, maybe."

"We were approached, pay to play," Mr. Blagojevich was recorded telling his advisers. "That, you know, he would raise me 500 grand. An emissary came. Then the other guy would raise a million, if I made him a senator."


Jackson's denial was forceful.

"I did not know that the process had been corrupted," Jackson said at a news conference yesterday. "I did not know that credentials, qualifications and record of service meant nothing to the governor. I did not know that the governor and his cronies were attempting to use the process to extort money and favors in a brazen pay-to-play scheme."



Personally, I tend not to believe this denial
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Postby dajafi » Thu Dec 11, 2008 13:30:18

My wife was strangely gleeful at the news that JJ Jr. might go down as a result of this. Actually I kind of was too. Not sure what that's about.

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Postby Woody » Thu Dec 11, 2008 13:31:00

JJ Jr. might have more awful mannerisms than his father.
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Postby CalvinBall » Thu Dec 11, 2008 13:53:14

My dad wants me to run for Mayor of West Chester. Would you vote for me?

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Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 11, 2008 13:55:55

CalvinBall wrote:My dad wants me to run for Mayor of West Chester. Would you vote for me?

Does your posting reflect how you'll be mayor, or would it be different?

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Dec 11, 2008 13:56:17

dajafi wrote:My wife was strangely gleeful at the news that JJ Jr. might go down as a result of this. Actually I kind of was too. Not sure what that's about.


Paying for the sins of his father. I don't think he's as bad as his dad, but this doesn't look so good for him. Plus from your perspective, probably better to have Jessie Jackson Jr. go down than any of the other rumored names. He probably would have had the worst shot at holding the seat if he was appointed to the Senate before the scandal broke, and it's not like he is revered in the progressive community or blogosphere like Tammy Duckworth or Jan Schkowsky or whoever emerges as the frontrunner now.

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Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 11, 2008 13:56:47

Can Ayn Rand Survive the Economic Crisis?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/173514

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Postby pacino » Thu Dec 11, 2008 13:59:07

CalvinBall wrote:My dad wants me to run for Mayor of West Chester. Would you vote for me?

only if you promise to introduce intelligent design in the schools and abolish teaching any form of darwinism.
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Postby CalvinBall » Thu Dec 11, 2008 14:00:17

I think you just kind sit there and show up at events as the Mayor of West Chester. You only get paid 4,000 and make zero policy decisions.

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Postby Bucky » Thu Dec 11, 2008 14:02:26

well that would make $4,156 so go for it

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Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 11, 2008 14:04:53

CalvinBall wrote:I think you just kind sit there and show up at events as the Mayor of West Chester. You only get paid 4,000 and make zero policy decisions.


"So what exactly would you say you do here?"

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Postby dajafi » Thu Dec 11, 2008 14:15:32

Scary stuff:

It's quite unsettling to talk to members of Barack Obama's transition teams these days, especially those who are helping with the economics portfolio. Without going into details, the sense I get from them is that they are very worried that the economy will get a lot worse before it gets better. Not just worse... a lot worse. As in -- double digit unemployment without the wiggle factors. Huge declines in aggregate demand. Significant, persistent deficits. That's one reason why the Obama administration seems to be open to listening to every economist with an idea and is stocking the staff with the leading lights of the field. In one sense, the general level of concern among Obama advisers and transition staffers is reassuring; they get the magnitude of the problems, and they're not going to assume that, just because the bottom has never dropped out before -- certainly not in the lifetimes of most people doing policy these days, the bottom will never drop out.


I can haz Stiglitz plz?

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Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 11, 2008 15:12:36

dajafi wrote:Scary stuff:

It's quite unsettling to talk to members of Barack Obama's transition teams these days, especially those who are helping with the economics portfolio. Without going into details, the sense I get from them is that they are very worried that the economy will get a lot worse before it gets better. Not just worse... a lot worse. As in -- double digit unemployment without the wiggle factors. Huge declines in aggregate demand. Significant, persistent deficits. That's one reason why the Obama administration seems to be open to listening to every economist with an idea and is stocking the staff with the leading lights of the field. In one sense, the general level of concern among Obama advisers and transition staffers is reassuring; they get the magnitude of the problems, and they're not going to assume that, just because the bottom has never dropped out before -- certainly not in the lifetimes of most people doing policy these days, the bottom will never drop out.


I can haz Stiglitz plz?

This is unsettling to me, for slightly different reasons. While I'm obviously worried that the conomy could get worse, I don't see that as particularly likely. I worry that people within the Obama administration may paint the picture blacker than it is, in order to gain support for their policies, and scare people into support. This is what we've had since Iraq, and I don't care to repeat it.

But Stiglitz seems like he'd be a good voice to have around. I don't agree with all his policies, but he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, and he doesn't seem tied to one orthodoxy (his love of Keynes notwithstanding). He certainly wouldn't be a yes-man.

Maybe I should add his book to my reading list: "Making Globalization Work." I haven't done too much studying in development economics, but it sounds like his book would be relevant to a lot of international politics discussions.

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Postby Wizlah » Fri Dec 12, 2008 07:30:04

Don't know how much of a surprise this is:

After an 18-month investigation, the Senate's armed services committee concluded that Rumsfeld's approval of aggressive interrogation methods in December 2002 was a direct cause of abuses that began in Guantánamo and spread to Afghanistan and Iraq. They culminated in the Abu Ghraib scandal in 2003, where Iraqi detainees were found to have been forced into naked pyramids, sexually humiliated and threatened by dogs.
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Postby momadance » Fri Dec 12, 2008 13:06:20

You're never too old for a snowball fight!



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Postby CalvinBall » Fri Dec 12, 2008 13:10:10

That's cool. I would want to have a beer with that guy.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Dec 12, 2008 13:20:43

CalvinBall wrote:That's cool. I would want to have a beer with that guy.


What about a smoke?
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Postby dajafi » Fri Dec 12, 2008 13:32:45

Minnesota elections board evidently made a couple decisions today that should be very favorable to Franken.

I'm happy about this, but I'd still like it if any of them pointed out that simply implementing instant runoff voting, in a race where the third-party candidate got about 15 percent, would have served to avoid this whole stupid thing.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Dec 12, 2008 19:52:14

Barone with a typically insightful and interesting piece on Blagojevich.

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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Fri Dec 12, 2008 22:32:13

Memo to Senate Republicans obtained by MSNBC:

From:

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:12 AM

To:

Subject: Action Alert -- Auto Bailout

Today at noon, Senators Ensign, Shelby, Coburn and DeMint will hold a press conference in the Senate Radio/TV Gallery. They would appreciate our support through messaging and attending the press conference, if possible. The message they want us to deliver is:

1. This is the democrats first opportunity to payoff organized labor after the election. This is a precursor to card check and other items. Republicans should stand firm and take their first shot against organized labor, instead of taking their first blow from it.

2. This rush to judgment is the same thing that happened with the TARP. Members did not have an opportunity to read or digest the legislation and therefore could not understand the consequences of it. We should not rush to pass this because Detroit says the sky is falling.

The sooner you can have press releases and documents like this in the hands of members and the press, the better. Please contact me if you need additional information. Again, the hardest thing for the democrats to do is get 60 votes. If we can hold the Republicans, we can beat this.
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