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Postby phdave » Wed Dec 03, 2008 20:14:49

jerseyhoya wrote:I don't get it. Them correcting the improper initial report?


There's a lot more to the story. I just posted the initial news report. I thought you might already know about Siegelman.


Here is a wikipedia summary:

Riley's victory was controversial, and caused many commentators to recall the Florida election recount of 2000.[11] [12] Initial returns showed Riley narrowly losing to Siegelman. Siegelman gave a victory speech on election night, and the Associated Press initially declared him the winner.[13] However, Republican officials in Baldwin County - one of the few counties where all of the county officers in charge of elections were Republicans - conducted a recount and retabulation of that county's votes after midnight, and after Democratic Party observers had gone home for the night. [14] This violated Alabama law, which requires that counting of ballots take place in the presence of the designated observers of a party or candidate.[15][16] Approximately 6,000 votes initially credited to Siegelman were either removed from the total or reassigned to Riley in the recount, turning the statewide result in Riley's favor. [17] Local Republican officials claimed the earlier returns were the result of a "computer glitch."[18] Democratic requests to repeat the recount with Democratic observers present were rejected by Alabama courts and then-Attorney General William H. Pryor, Jr. Siegelman and his supporters complained that these judges (and Pryor) were either elected as Republicans or appointed by Republican presidents.[19] After over a week of fights in courtrooms and in the media, Siegelman, on November 18, 2002, made a televised address, saying that, "I've decided that a prolonged election controversy would hurt Alabama, would hurt the very people that we worked so hard to help," and abandoned his efforts to secure a recount of the Baldwin County vote, allowing Riley to take office.[20]

In response to the allegation of a "computer glitch," Siegelman later stated: "[N]ow one would expect that if there was some kind of computer glitch or some kind of computer programming error, that it might have affected more than one race, but it further raised suspicions about vote stealing when the votes came back and they were certified, and the only person who lost votes was Don Siegelman, the Democrat, and the only person who gained votes was Bob Riley, the Republican."[21]

A number of analyses of the competing claims were undertaken at the time, with conflicting results. In one such study, Auburn University political scientist James H. Gundlach concluded that a detailed analysis of the returns, compared with 1998 results and returns from undisputed counties, "strongly suggests a systematic manipulation of the voting results."[22] The Gundlach study also suggested a mechanism by which this could have been effected, and proposed a conclusion that Siegelman won. An earlier analysis reported by the Associated Press, using a less sophisticated comparison of gubernatorial and legislative returns, was claimed to indicate that the revised returns were more accurate, and that Riley probably won.[23] The Gundlach paper offers a refutation of the conclusions of the Associated Press study.
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Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Dec 04, 2008 00:41:32

Man, Alabama Republicans REALLY must hate Seligman. First the recount fiasco and more recently the politicized indictment manipulated by Rove and company. No wonder Seligman is pissed.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Dec 04, 2008 15:13:43

So the last two elections of the 2008 election cycle are on Saturday in Louisiana. Dollar Bill Jefferson is in a runoff against some Republican, which he will most assuredly win. The more interesting race is in LA-04, where Caddo Parish (Shreveport) DA Paul Carmouche is taking on John Fleming, who is a businessman or doctor or something. Carmouche, the Dem, probably would have had a really good shot at winning this one on election night, but those hurricanes in Louisiana postponed the primary, so the primary was on election day. Black turnout might be down, like it was in Georgia, which could really hurt him. TV gets to watch all the ads for that race. Wonder if he's seen any good ones.

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Postby jeff2sf » Thu Dec 04, 2008 15:28:59

So Sullivan and Greenwald are discussing how the Dems may back away from all the anti-torture rhetoric they've been spouting off for months on end. I don't know if I believe they are yet (Greenwald and Sullivan are both rather shrill on the matter) but I do believe that it's possible.

This would be tremendously disappointing to me but not altogether surprising as I have openly hypothesized that I could easily see some of the Dems being fine with torture if they were in power at the time.

What I've also learned over the last several months is that I may have been naive on the issue. Whenever I was talking with non-left wing ideologues who nevertheless were sour on GWB, I would bring up how awful the torture thing was. Invariably I received blank stares or "Oh, America and most everyone else has always done that, you just can't get caught."
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Postby pacino » Thu Dec 04, 2008 15:57:33

I just never understood the above 'everyone else does it' mentality. Our nation's supposed to be 'different' in that we were created on ideas of truth, justice and the American way(tm), and isn't it sorta counter to our very existence that we torture? Just always thought it was an odd argument. Other nations stone people to death, etc.

I've also wondered about the company we keep in regards to what other nations use the dealth penalty as the ultimate punishment. Just a thought.
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Postby pacino » Thu Dec 04, 2008 16:02:41

Hey Obama: Thanks for getting elected, but why do you keep spamming me with emails about donating more money to you? WHAT AM I DONATING FOR?! A $2 mug for $15? Where is this money going? Can we stop the damn campaign?!
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Postby Woody » Thu Dec 04, 2008 16:48:56

pacino wrote:Hey Obama: Thanks for getting elected, but why do you keep spamming me with emails about donating more money to you? WHAT AM I DONATING FOR?! A $2 mug for $15? Where is this money going? Can we stop the damn campaign?!


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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Dec 04, 2008 16:52:53

jerseyhoya wrote:So the last two elections of the 2008 election cycle are on Saturday in Louisiana. Dollar Bill Jefferson is in a runoff against some Republican, which he will most assuredly win. The more interesting race is in LA-04, where Caddo Parish (Shreveport) DA Paul Carmouche is taking on John Fleming, who is a businessman or doctor or something. Carmouche, the Dem, probably would have had a really good shot at winning this one on election night, but those hurricanes in Louisiana postponed the primary, so the primary was on election day. Black turnout might be down, like it was in Georgia, which could really hurt him. TV gets to watch all the ads for that race. Wonder if he's seen any good ones.


The ads have gotten a little tiresome, but there was an ad (I've only seen it once) by Fleming that claimed Carmouche was too lenient with white defendants.
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Postby gr » Thu Dec 04, 2008 18:17:04

pacino wrote:Hey Obama: Thanks for getting elected, but why do you keep spamming me with emails about donating more money to you? WHAT AM I DONATING FOR?! A $2 mug for $15? Where is this money going? Can we stop the damn campaign?!


should be easy to trace, i'd think. my guess is Campaign 2012
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Postby Bucky » Thu Dec 04, 2008 18:20:10

Monkeyboy wrote:Man, Alabama Republicans REALLY must hate Seligman. First the recount fiasco and more recently the politicized indictment manipulated by Rove and company. No wonder Seligman is pissed.


I thought we ALL hated Selig, man?

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Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 04, 2008 18:22:12

Bucky wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Man, Alabama Republicans REALLY must hate Seligman. First the recount fiasco and more recently the politicized indictment manipulated by Rove and company. No wonder Seligman is pissed.


I thought we ALL hated Selig, man?

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Postby dajafi » Fri Dec 05, 2008 01:20:54

Getting harder and harder to defend Charlie Rangel...

Between 2004 and 2007, Rep. Charles Rangel steered nearly $80,000 in campaign cash to an Internet company run by his son – paying lavishly for a pair of political Web sites so poorly designed an expert estimated one should have cost no more than $100 to create.

The payments are apparently legal under federal law, but their disclosure raises new questions about the Ways and Means chairman as he faces House ethics committee probes into his failure to pay taxes on rental income and his alleged use of House stationery to solicit contributions for a public policy center that bears his name.

Rangel’s leadership PAC and congressional committee shelled out $79,560 to Edisonian Innovative Works LLC for “websites,” according to Federal Election Commission filings.

Edisonian Innovative Works, which lists several clients on its homepage – none of them politicians — was founded by Rangel’s son, Steven Charles Rangel, 40, of Greenbelt, Md.

“This is probably legal but is definitely wrong,” said Meredith McGehee of the Campaign Legal Center, a nonprofit organization that monitors compliance with electoral law.

“You're in a situation where you were given money for a campaign and it's being used to enrich family members,” she added. “The return argument is they're performing legitimate services. The question that needs to be asked in this case is: Was this a legitimate payment or was this a payoff?”
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Steven Rangel’s design for his father’s National Leadership PAC site appears to have been slapped together in a hurry, intermittently updated and never spell-checked.

An apologetic note near the top of the site warns readers that the page is undergoing “routine maintenace (sic)” and cautions that “much of our content is currently unavailable.”

Another button urges visitors to “Give Contribuition [sic].”

The site “is a one pager with a third party site taking donations,” said Jamie Newell of 7AZ Web Design, a company that creates sites for a wide array of businesses in Washington. “For something of that standard, I would not pay more than $100.”


Knowing Glenn Thrush a little, I imagine it would be a lot of fun to get a couple drinks in him and hear the not-fit-to-print version of this.

Anyway, time for Charlie to go. I can't imagine Pelosi has the stones, though.

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Postby gr » Fri Dec 05, 2008 01:37:01

i'm too lazy to go back and find it in this thread, but remember when i joked about the coleman-franken race would feature a box of missing ballots?

perhaps i should stop joking around.
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Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Dec 05, 2008 07:13:02

Bucky wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Man, Alabama Republicans REALLY must hate Seligman. First the recount fiasco and more recently the politicized indictment manipulated by Rove and company. No wonder Seligman is pissed.


I thought we ALL hated Selig, man?




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Postby pacino » Fri Dec 05, 2008 15:08:48

Every time I start to like Mike Huckabee he starts to talk about political views.
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Postby dajafi » Fri Dec 05, 2008 23:06:57

William Ayers wants you to know he's is a human being.

Interesting read if nothing else.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Dec 06, 2008 21:00:34

Polls close in an hour. This website just seems like it's all sorts of awesome.

http://electionresults.sos.louisiana.gov/weborb30/soselection/soselection.html

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Dec 06, 2008 22:53:59

Hopefully the black part of Shreveport is what's coming in from Caddo.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Dec 06, 2008 23:34:28

Dear lord we might be beating Bill Jefferson.

And losing LA-04. WTF. Wow.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Dec 07, 2008 00:08:04

Up 1,600 votes. About 20% of Caddo is left. This might be really, really close. I think we are going to win though.

Sweet, I think we won by about 400 votes. And we might pick up LA-2.

The fightback begins.

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