Election Day Thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 07, 2008 18:34:35

jeff2sf wrote:Beyond the fact that I think that Summers may be underrated due to some, ahem, poor word choices, I'd in no way be happy with him being selected - it goes against the whole change theme. I'm not even saying I'd be displeased with the choice of Buffett, just that he may not have the temperament/skills for this.

Basically, I view Buffett as the freaking god of microeconomics but I'm not sure he's got the macro skill set.


Remember tho, smoothie, I speak plainly. If I was "plumping for Sommers", I simply would have said so.


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Postby jeff2sf » Fri Nov 07, 2008 18:35:20

most clearly smoothie's spoken in years
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Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 07, 2008 18:35:54

jeff2sf wrote:perament/skills for this.

Basically, I view Buffett as the freaking god of microeconomics but I'm not sure he's got the macro skill set.


Remember tho, smoothie, I speak plainly. If I was "plumping for Sommers", I simply would have said so.


oh I forgot "not sure he's got the macro skillset" is not speaking plainly b/c no one knows wtf you mean by that thx
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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Nov 07, 2008 19:36:42

dajafi wrote:Interesting op-ed by Ranesh Ponnuruin the Times today about the Republicans' next steps.

The party needs to “move to the middle” less than it needs to move to the middle class: to go back to representing the interests of voters in the middle of the income spectrum.

John McCain and movement conservatives, so often at odds, have been complicit in neglecting these voters. He somehow believed that he could win a presidential election without a coherent middle-class economic agenda, and conservatives never thought to demand one from him.

Yes, Mr. McCain’s plans would have cut taxes more than Mr. Obama’s for a lot of middle-class families, but Republicans rarely bothered to point that out. Mr. McCain’s campaign smartly promised to double the tax exemption for children, but the candidate seemed unfamiliar with the idea, repeatedly describing it incorrectly. Likewise, he had an innovative health care plan, but he rarely explained how it would help the average voter.
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Most conservatives were preoccupied in this campaign with cultural issues: flag pins, 1960s radicals and the like. These issues are legitimate, and certainly easier to understand than the details of health policy. But they have never been enough to win over most voters. Barack Obama offered a better life to most voters. Without challenging that claim, Republicans were never going to be able to portray him as out of the mainstream.


Though I doubt he'd put it this way, this strikes me as along the lines of my point that the Democrats won in large part because they seemed more serious about governing. Of course, focusing on policy arguments rather than flag pins and 1960s radicals probably helps give this impression.

gr: +1 about Shays. My wife, who's from that district and is otherwise probably more liberal than I am, was pretty upset to hear that he went down Tuesday night. He's a good man and someone I'd like to see in the administration, though I have no idea if he'd be interested.


The problem is the whole flag pins and 60s radicals are legitimate issues. They're not. Especially since they're largely manufactured.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Nov 07, 2008 21:15:19

A student of mine is creating a political board that seems to have splintered off a razorback discussion board. If vox eliminates this thread here, I'd bet you'd all be welcome over there.

http://razorbackpolitics.proboards.com/index.cgi
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Postby pacino » Fri Nov 07, 2008 23:35:13

How has Oliver North become a credible political analyst?
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Postby threecount » Sat Nov 08, 2008 00:22:33

pacino wrote:How has Oliver North become a credible political analyst?


I ask the same think about Dick Morris..I can't stand the man..everytime he is on FOX News, he still rips the Clintons, and every prediction out of his mouth turns out wrong.

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Sat Nov 08, 2008 00:24:17

threecount wrote:
pacino wrote:How has Oliver North become a credible political analyst?


I ask the same think about Dick Morris..I can't stand the man..everytime he is on FOX News, he still rips the Clintons, and every prediction out of his mouth turns out wrong.

Not to mention Pat Buchanon(sp?).

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Postby pacino » Sat Nov 08, 2008 01:23:09

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Postby phdave » Sat Nov 08, 2008 01:24:47

WTF Arkansas? Is that Hillary payback?
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Postby MrsVox » Sat Nov 08, 2008 07:14:47

TenuredVulture wrote:
dajafi wrote:Interesting op-ed by Ranesh Ponnuruin the Times today about the Republicans' next steps.

The party needs to “move to the middle” less than it needs to move to the middle class: to go back to representing the interests of voters in the middle of the income spectrum.

John McCain and movement conservatives, so often at odds, have been complicit in neglecting these voters. He somehow believed that he could win a presidential election without a coherent middle-class economic agenda, and conservatives never thought to demand one from him.

Yes, Mr. McCain’s plans would have cut taxes more than Mr. Obama’s for a lot of middle-class families, but Republicans rarely bothered to point that out. Mr. McCain’s campaign smartly promised to double the tax exemption for children, but the candidate seemed unfamiliar with the idea, repeatedly describing it incorrectly. Likewise, he had an innovative health care plan, but he rarely explained how it would help the average voter.
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Most conservatives were preoccupied in this campaign with cultural issues: flag pins, 1960s radicals and the like. These issues are legitimate, and certainly easier to understand than the details of health policy. But they have never been enough to win over most voters. Barack Obama offered a better life to most voters. Without challenging that claim, Republicans were never going to be able to portray him as out of the mainstream.


Though I doubt he'd put it this way, this strikes me as along the lines of my point that the Democrats won in large part because they seemed more serious about governing. Of course, focusing on policy arguments rather than flag pins and 1960s radicals probably helps give this impression.

gr: +1 about Shays. My wife, who's from that district and is otherwise probably more liberal than I am, was pretty upset to hear that he went down Tuesday night. He's a good man and someone I'd like to see in the administration, though I have no idea if he'd be interested.


The problem is the whole flag pins and 60s radicals are legitimate issues. They're not. Especially since they're largely manufactured.


I would love an explanation of how McCain's health care plan was beneficial/innovative/whatever. We pay a serious chunk of change on premiums, sock away another good bit in a medical FSA for co-pays and out-of-network costs, and still exhaust that by September, usually. All I saw was that our tax bill was going to go up over $2000.

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Postby VoxOrion » Sat Nov 08, 2008 09:13:01

I was reading about how Obama had conversations with all of the living presidents, I would love to be a fly on the wall for those conversations (seriously, I'm not being sarcastic or setting up a joke). I mean, there has to be some sense of fraternity between these guys, and I remember reports saying that W and Clinton had a fine old time in the limo on the way to the inauguration. Like, do Bush 41 and Obama really chat it up? Are there genuine "if there's anything I can do?" type conversations? Or even "Keep x in mind, it was a real pain in my ass." or "wait till they show you the files... they'll blow your mind!" type stuff. Or is it just 41 shifting his tie and picking up the phone and doing what he's "supposed to do" and calling the new president elect to congratulate him and they're done in 90 seconds?
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Postby swishnicholson » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:55:32

These are men of supreme accomplishment. I presume they would talk about which TV reporters are hot.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:49:44

So it looks like the Dems have picked up MD-01 and VA-05, while we have held WA-08. There are five House races yet to be decided. CA-04, where we hold a narrow lead, OH-15, where I have a sneaking suspicion that woman I hate Kilroy is going to find her way into Congress, the LA-04 runoff and then scumbags from both sides: Dollar Bill Jefferson's runoff and Don Young trying to survive lots of absentee ballots.

Looks like we'll lose 21-23 seats, which is narrowly better than the 24 seat loss I predicted, and I thought I was being optimistic.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:31:55

phdave wrote:WTF Arkansas? Is that Hillary payback?


Well, there's that. Race was an issue. Also, our Democratic Congressional delegation did less than nothing for Obama. And, of course, there was little campaign activity in this state. Also, old people and rural people were two groups that shifted in the Republican direction, and we've got a lot of them around here.

Also, we're probably the whitest state of the old Confederacy.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:33:02

jerseyhoya wrote:So it looks like the Dems have picked up MD-01 and VA-05, while we have held WA-08. There are five House races yet to be decided. CA-04, where we hold a narrow lead, OH-15, where I have a sneaking suspicion that woman I hate Kilroy is going to find her way into Congress, the LA-04 runoff and then scumbags from both sides: Dollar Bill Jefferson's runoff and Don Young trying to survive lots of absentee ballots.

Looks like we'll lose 21-23 seats, which is narrowly better than the 24 seat loss I predicted, and I thought I was being optimistic.


The interesting thing is that Obama seemed to outperform Congressional Democrats, which was not something anyone predicted.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Nov 08, 2008 13:19:38

According to an interview this afternoon with Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, Minnesota election law calls for a coin toss if the race between Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.) and Democrat Al Franken is exactly tied when the recount is complete.

239 votes currently separate Coleman and Franken.


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Postby dajafi » Sat Nov 08, 2008 14:10:27

jerseyhoya wrote:
According to an interview this afternoon with Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, Minnesota election law calls for a coin toss if the race between Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.) and Democrat Al Franken is exactly tied when the recount is complete.

239 votes currently separate Coleman and Franken.


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That's bullshit.

It should obviously be a drinking contest and/or fistfight. And I'd say that even if I wasn't certain Franken would win either contest. Maybe.

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