That's harder to imagine, though, as each party's moderate wing shrinks. A Democratic sweep might bring to Washington some relatively centrist freshmen who would provide a check on the most liberal wing of the party. But it might claim as victims some of the few remaining Republican moderates, such as Sen. Gordon Smith of Oregon and Rep. Christopher Shays of Connecticut, and some of the real workhorses who are more interested in legislating than grandstanding -- the capable New Hampshire senator John E. Sununu, for example. The defeat of such politicians would be a loss for the country, not just for their party.

jerseyhoya wrote:Can One Party Rule? - WaPo Editorial

That's harder to imagine, though, as each party's moderate wing shrinks. A Democratic sweep might bring to Washington some relatively centrist freshmen who would provide a check on the most liberal wing of the party. But it might claim as victims some of the few remaining Republican moderates, such as Sen. Gordon Smith of Oregon and Rep. Christopher Shays of Connecticut, and some of the real workhorses who are more interested in legislating than grandstanding -- the capable New Hampshire senator John E. Sununu, for example. The defeat of such politicians would be a loss for the country, not just for their party.

TenuredVulture wrote:Liberal Dems have made peace with their moderates and even conservatives.

VoxOrion wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:Liberal Dems have made peace with their moderates and even conservatives.

What are you basing this on?

VoxOrion wrote:Big shocker (except it isn't), klansman and neo-nazi's are leftists and prefer Obama for pres.

VoxOrion wrote:Big shocker (except it isn't), klansman and neo-nazi's are leftists and prefer Obama for pres.

"Obama might be a better candidate for our cause because he’s racially conscious. One of our big things in the National Alliance is to raise the racial consciousness of our people. Young whites in universities, they’ve been stripped of any kind of racial identity. Obama may be a racist in a positive sense for his people--that will awaken a lot of the whites, knock some sense into them. They’ll see that non-white Americans are allowed to be proud of who they are, to be racially conscious, to talk about their people or their community without being attacked as being racist. Let’s face it, white people aren’t going to fight for their causes, for their kind with a white president. I don’t think McCain even acknowledges that a white race exists. He’s all about granting amnesty to illegal aliens. The fact he wants to keep us in wars in the Middle East for 100 years, that’s not a good thing. I give Obama credit, he seems to have stuck to his guns as far as pulling the troops out of Iraq. He’s a very intelligent man, an excellent speaker and has charisma. John McCain offers none of that. Perhaps the best thing for the white race is to have a black president. My only problem with Obama is perhaps he’s not black enough."

"White people are faced with either a negro or a total nutter who happens to have a pale face. Personally I’d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals--basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women--when usually negroes who have 'made it' immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize--that’s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it’s good for all racially minded folks. Besides, America cares nothing for the interests of the white American worker, while having a love affair with just about every non-white on planet Earth. It’d be poetic justice to have a non-white as titular chief over this decaying modern Sodom and Gomorrah."

See, I’m a leftist. I’m not a rightist. I hate the transnational corporations far more than any black person."

"Finding out Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for president was one of the saddest days in black history. Another legacy of black death is about to begin, just like it began back in the '60s with probably the greatest traitor to black people in modern-day history, Martin Luther King. Every black leader that has some form of power has given black people false hope, when in fact, the closer they get to the white establishment, the more they become an actual enemy to black people. Black people need to move away from the establishment and towards a moral change. As for Obama, first of all, he’s not even a black man in the terms of what real black people consider a black man. He’s of African and white descent. How easily he dismissed his affiliation with Reverend Wright, was a clear indication that this is a politician, not a man of any real conviction. The same way he threw away that Reverend, once he becomes president, he must throw away black people. He’s going to have to harm black people to make white people satisfied that he’s not Reverend Wright’s boy. The disappointment we’re going to suffer from him is going to set us back another fifty years. McCain is definitely the better shot for black people."

Monkeyboy wrote:So, I guess this article is helpful in showing us how idiots think, but it certainly doesn't mean that these people want to support Obama because they think he will represent their views or whatever. It certainly doesn't mean they are leftists, even though one tries to pass himself off as one.

Monkeyboy wrote:At this point, I'm just hoping we make it through the next few days without Obama getting shot or some foreign interest (terrorist or otherwise) trying to influence our election.

VoxOrion wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:So, I guess this article is helpful in showing us how idiots think, but it certainly doesn't mean that these people want to support Obama because they think he will represent their views or whatever. It certainly doesn't mean they are leftists, even though one tries to pass himself off as one.

All the Obama stuff is beside the point, of course they're just being idiots - they are idiots.

These types (skinheads, neo-nazis) are leftists for the most part, I did a lot of reasearch on them (and Metzger) a few years ago, and met quite a few when I was in high school/early college years. These guys base a lot of their politics on the British labor movement (that's where a lot of their uniform originates), they're anti-free market, very pro union, and very interested in a facistic type government structure (that of course doesn't include the "lesser races").

This is information that has always been out there, and it's information that always forgotten or simply not researched whenever there is an opportunity to accuse neo-Nazi's of being conservatives.

drsmooth wrote:
how do you make leftist out of this mishmash?

and "the british labor movement" has a uniform?

Serious questions

my feeling is your political/philosophical taxonomy needs an upgrade

drsmooth wrote:

VoxOrion wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:So, I guess this article is helpful in showing us how idiots think, but it certainly doesn't mean that these people want to support Obama because they think he will represent their views or whatever. It certainly doesn't mean they are leftists, even though one tries to pass himself off as one.

All the Obama stuff is beside the point, of course they're just being idiots - they are idiots.

These types (skinheads, neo-nazis) are leftists for the most part, I did a lot of reasearch on them (and Metzger) a few years ago, and met quite a few when I was in high school/early college years. These guys base a lot of their politics on the British labor movement (that's where a lot of their uniform originates), they're anti-free market, very pro union, and very interested in a facistic type government structure (that of course doesn't include the "lesser races").

This is information that has always been out there, and it's information that always forgotten or simply not researched whenever there is an opportunity to accuse neo-Nazi's of being conservatives.

how do you make leftist out of this mishmash?

and "the british labor movement" has a uniform?

Serious questions

my feeling is your political/philosophical taxonomy needs an upgrade

drsmooth wrote:how do you make leftist out of this mishmash?

drsmooth wrote:and "the british labor movement" has a uniform?

my feeling is your political/philosophical taxonomy needs an upgrade

VoxOrion wrote:

drsmooth wrote:how do you make leftist out of this mishmash?

I guess "See, I’m a leftist. I’m not a rightist." doesn't qualify. Despite that, I listed what I was referring to.

Vox Orion wrote:No, they are not wearing a uniform that was ever "issued" by a union. You win.

drsmooth wrote:

VoxOrion wrote:

drsmooth wrote:how do you make leftist out of this mishmash?

I guess "See, I’m a leftist. I’m not a rightist." doesn't qualify. Despite that, I listed what I was referring to.

someone's a tad defensive this fine morning.

self-reported data is notoriously unreliable. but you knew that.

I think you were on to the appropriate typology when you labeled them "idiots". works for me.