livestock, lipstick, and liquidity: politics thread

Postby Wizlah » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:28:29

dajafi wrote:More Palin here.
But damn, I think pretty much all of us have a better grasp on it than does Palin.


See, I thought that woman was like a hunter, and accordingly would use a finely tuned weapon to take out her pray. It's now apparent that she's lying about that too, because on the evidence of that clip, the only thing this women is familiar with is a sawn off shotgun for maximum scattershot effect.
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Postby Grotewold » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:29:22

Sarah Palin to watch the debate, assuming it happens, at center city's Irish Pub

!!!! ???? !!!!

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/ ... 4.1&sflg=1

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:29:55

FTN wrote:So McCain is "suspending the campaign" but still running TV ads? That seems disingenuous.


Things like this don't just stop immediately. You have to contact all the stations to take the ads down, then the stations have to actually take the ads down. Unless there's a report out there that the McCain campaign hasn't asked the stations to take the ads down, this isn't necessarily disingenuous.

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Postby stevemc » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:30:46

Couric asking for specific examples and her response reminded me of "Strange Brew"

Claude
Yes, and I'd like to point out that this tape have not been tampered
with or edited in any way. It even has a time code on it, and those
are very difficult to fake.

Judge
For the benefit of the court, will you please explain 'time code'?

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Just because I don't know what it is doesn't mean I'm lying!

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Postby Woody » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:34:38

Grotewold wrote:Sarah Palin to watch the debate, assuming it happens, at center city's Irish Pub

!!!! ???? !!!!

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/ ... 4.1&sflg=1


First guy to get the digits wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ruffies? omg i kid, lol

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Postby Grotewold » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:37:33

Woody wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Sarah Palin to watch the debate, assuming it happens, at center city's Irish Pub

!!!! ???? !!!!

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/ ... 4.1&sflg=1


First guy to get the digits wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ruffies? omg i kid, lol


First guy other than Burrell...

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Postby CalvinBall » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:41:02

Isn't watching the debate at a local watch party campaigning? I thought it was suspended. What a joke.

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Postby CalvinBall » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:44:36

That Couric/Palin clip is silly bad. What is she even talking about? Stutter, um, stutter, bi-partisan, crisis, stutter.

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Postby Grotewold » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:45:23

CalvinBall wrote:Isn't watching the debate at a local watch party campaigning? I thought it was suspended. What a joke.


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Postby Woody » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:45:44

Grotewold wrote:
Woody wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Sarah Palin to watch the debate, assuming it happens, at center city's Irish Pub

!!!! ???? !!!!

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/ ... 4.1&sflg=1


First guy to get the digits wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ruffies? omg i kid, lol


First guy other than Burrell...


Well, if he gets pinch ran for early enough... you could be on to something

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Postby Grotewold » Thu Sep 25, 2008 16:48:25

Cholly and Golson better not c-block him

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Postby Philly the Kid » Thu Sep 25, 2008 17:01:03

Sorry to come in late but that link Dajafi posted with Palin and Couris -- I'm speechless.... can that be turned in to an Obama ad?

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Postby dajafi » Thu Sep 25, 2008 17:07:02

Philly the Kid wrote:Sorry to come in late but that link Dajafi posted with Palin and Couris -- I'm speechless.... can that be turned in to an Obama ad?


I think that would be overkill and probably wouldn't play well... but, yeah. I'm less speechless than terrified.

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Postby Philly the Kid » Thu Sep 25, 2008 17:08:38

dajafi wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Sorry to come in late but that link Dajafi posted with Palin and Couris -- I'm speechless.... can that be turned in to an Obama ad?


I think that would be overkill and probably wouldn't play well... but, yeah. I'm less speechless than terrified.


I mean seriously, didn't they give her a few talking points about Russia? Something that she really had no involvement in, but could sound like she was on top of?? That was scary ...

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Postby pacino » Thu Sep 25, 2008 17:43:40

Philly the Kid wrote:
dajafi wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Sorry to come in late but that link Dajafi posted with Palin and Couris -- I'm speechless.... can that be turned in to an Obama ad?


I think that would be overkill and probably wouldn't play well... but, yeah. I'm less speechless than terrified.


I mean seriously, didn't they give her a few talking points about Russia? Something that she really had no involvement in, but could sound like she was on top of?? That was scary ...

my god, she was tap dancing there
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Postby meatball » Thu Sep 25, 2008 17:49:01

Philly the Kid wrote:Sorry to come in late but that link Dajafi posted with Palin and Couris -- I'm speechless.... can that be turned in to an Obama ad?


I just saw that for the first time, too. Um, WOW. It's almost seems like a SNL parody. I mean, holy shit that was bad. I'd take JDS in a debate over her. What a freaking joke. It's just insulting to the American public.

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Postby phdave » Thu Sep 25, 2008 18:13:49

Philly the Kid wrote:
dajafi wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Sorry to come in late but that link Dajafi posted with Palin and Couris -- I'm speechless.... can that be turned in to an Obama ad?


I think that would be overkill and probably wouldn't play well... but, yeah. I'm less speechless than terrified.


I mean seriously, didn't they give her a few talking points about Russia? Something that she really had no involvement in, but could sound like she was on top of?? That was scary ...


It looks like she could have had something more to say about dealings with Russia if she actually gave a crap after being elected Gov.

In May 2007, Vladimir Yetylin, a Russian politician from the province of Chukotka, met in Anchorage with Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. They talked about the struggles of the Arctic's native people and the possibility of Palin visiting the other side of the Bering Strait.

"She seemed very modern and forward-thinking and was open to the idea," Yetylin said in a telephone interview. "Absolutely, I think she should come."

Yetylin's invitation reflects the kind of grass-roots diplomacy that has marked Alaska-Russian relations, even in a time of growing tension between the Bush administration and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

But so far, in her first 21 months of office, Palin has balked at grabbing that opportunity, instead focusing her energies on home-front issues — raising taxes on the oil industry and backing construction of a natural-gas pipeline.

Her critics say that Palin has shied away from launching any major initiatives in Russian diplomacy despite Alaska's historic ties with Russia.
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Opportunities abound for Alaska governors to engage in Russian diplomacy, with the state host to several organizations focusing on Arctic issues. Anchorage is the seat of the Northern Forum, an 18-year-old organization that represents the leaders of regional governments in Russia, as well as Finland, Iceland and Canada, Japan, China and South Korea.

Yet under Palin, the state government — without consultation — reduced its annual financial support to the Northern Forum to $15,000 from $75,000, according to Priscilla Wohl, the group's executive director. That forced the forum's Anchorage office to go without pay for two months.

Palin — unlike the previous administrations of Gov. Frank Murkowski and Gov. Tony Knowles — also stopped sending representatives to Northern Forum's annual meetings, including one last year for regional governors held in the heart of Russia's oil territory.

"It was an opportunity for the Alaska governor to take a delegation of business leaders to the largest oil-producing region in Russia, and she would have been shaking hands with major leaders in Russia," Wohl said.
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Postby phdave » Thu Sep 25, 2008 18:26:27

VoxOrion wrote:I'm saying yapping and debating are McCain's thing. One has to pretend not to know anything about the man to think he doesn't want an opportunity to carry on.


From The San Francisco Chronicle, February 28, 2000:

With new polls showing his campaign dead in the water among California Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain has pulled out of a long-scheduled debate with Texas Gov. George Bush, set for Thursday in Los Angeles.

McCain campaign officials tried desperately yesterday to put the best face on their withdrawal, even as a new Field Poll showed Bush far ahead among likely Republican voters in the winner-take-all race for the state's 162 GOP delegates.

Top campaign officials attributed McCain's decision to Bush's earlier reluctance to appear at the debate.

``We had agreed to do this debate a long time ago, and Gov. Bush said he wasn't going to do it,'' McCain spokesman Howard Opinsky said yesterday. ``We aren't going to hold our schedule together forever.''
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As recently as Thursday, when he was in California, McCain was talking about his plans to debate Bush; even last night, McCain's own Web site listed his California debate- watching parties. The CNN-Los Angeles Times debate was the only scheduled head-to-head meeting of the two candidates in California before the primary, a week from tomorrow.

McCain's campaign said the candidate confirmed to CNN on Thursday that he would not appear. But until yesterday afternoon, when rumors swirled about the pullout, McCain -- who has touted his ``straight talk'' politics -- gave no public indication that he intended to duck the nationally televised showdown.

The bait and switch on the debate left the Arizona senator -- whose favorite campaign line is ``I'll always tell you the truth'' -- wide open to blistering criticism from his rivals.

``Clearly, this is more double-talk from the McCain campaign,'' said Alixe Mattingly, a spokeswoman for Bush. ``Pulling out of this debate at the last minute is an indication that they're pulling out of California, where McCain's antagonistic message clearly isn't working.''

The decision to avoid debating Bush clearly upset some of McCain's top advisers.

``It's definitely a mistake, but hopefully, the people of California feel strongly enough about the McCain reform agenda . . . to overlook a staff error and come out and vote for John McCain,'' said Schnur, a longtime California political operative. ``John McCain is completely committed to California; unfortunately, our staff's position on this debate sends just the opposite message.''


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Postby phdave » Thu Sep 25, 2008 18:33:19

FakeSarahPalin explains what happened via twitter:

IT'S OKAY AMERICA!! AFTER PRAYING ON IT, I GAVE UP MAKING SENSE W/ KATIE KOURIC SO I COULD FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY :)
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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Thu Sep 25, 2008 18:52:02

btw....financial Armageddon could be one step closer this evening as house republicans reportedly shoot down their own party's Wall St. bailout plan, which just hours earlier was thought to be close to approval!

ABC News:
Earlier today Paulson walked into the room where Democrats were caucusing, and pleaded with them 'please don't blow this up,' Stephanopoulos reports.
Sources say Frank was livid, saying 'Don't say that to us after all we've been through!'
Democrats believe that House Republicans are torpedoing the framework deal. The House Republicans have come with a new proposal that Paulson opposes.


Meanwhile, could this lead McCain, who apparently can't handle two things at once, to not show up the debate? And if the debate is rescheduled, will the lack of time before the election for the canceling of the VP debate?
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