I get why McCain runs that ad and I guess if I were doing his press work, I'd have done something similar. But that's an ad, I think, directed more at Wolf Blitzer (or anyone with cable-TV news time to fill) than some swing voter in Ohio.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. (I mean, there is, but it's a non-partisan, general-stupidity wrongness.) I just don't think it moves voters. "Ooooh! Politicians reverse themselves!" Remember when McCain said that he thought the Democratic Party was "a fine party with fine people and good ideas" or whatever he said in 2000? Right.

Speaking of that, I wonder if the Biden pick might in some way bear upon the supposed conversations McCain had with Democrats about leaving the Republican caucus in 2001 or running with Kerry in '04. If they were good friends, I'm sure Biden was in on those conversations.

Laexile wrote:

mpmcgraw wrote:Nobody cares what you think you weren't voting for him anyway.

Most democrats love this choice as they should.

Those Democrats are wrong.

LOL laexile

dajafi wrote:I get why McCain runs that ad and I guess if I were doing his press work, I'd have done something similar. But that's an ad, I think, directed more at Wolf Blitzer (or anyone with cable-TV news time to fill) than some swing voter in Ohio.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. (I mean, there is, but it's a non-partisan, general-stupidity wrongness.) I just don't think it moves voters. "Ooooh! Politicians reverse themselves!" Remember when McCain said that he thought the Democratic Party was "a fine party with fine people and good ideas" or whatever he said in 2000? Right.

Speaking of that, I wonder if the Biden pick might in some way bear upon the supposed conversations McCain had with Democrats about leaving the Republican caucus in 2001 or running with Kerry in '04. If they were good friends, I'm sure Biden was in on those conversations.

pretty sure Biden was the one suggesting the Kerry/McCain ticket

Laexile wrote:Mistake. Obama's message is that we need an outsider who won't accept business as usual. How can he call McCain an insider when he chooses a guy whose been there longer than McCain? How is John McCain part of the problem and Joe Biden isn't? He can't say experience doesn't matter. Choosing Biden admits a weakness rather than shoring one up.

Of course if McCain picks Romney it's equally stupid. Romney's no maverick. If people thought McCain was rich and out of touch adding someone wealthier is only going to make him harder for people to relate to.

You're making about as much sense as usual. By this logic, McCain should select this guy as his running mate:



here's a newsflash: the primaries are over

dajafi wrote:I get why McCain runs that ad and I guess if I were doing his press work, I'd have done something similar. But that's an ad, I think, directed more at Wolf Blitzer (or anyone with cable-TV news time to fill) than some swing voter in Ohio.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. (I mean, there is, but it's a non-partisan, general-stupidity wrongness.) I just don't think it moves voters. "Ooooh! Politicians reverse themselves!" Remember when McCain said that he thought the Democratic Party was "a fine party with fine people and good ideas" or whatever he said in 2000? Right.

Speaking of that, I wonder if the Biden pick might in some way bear upon the supposed conversations McCain had with Democrats about leaving the Republican caucus in 2001 or running with Kerry in '04. If they were good friends, I'm sure Biden was in on those conversations.

I don't think it really moves much, but you make a good point on the Blitzer thing. If it leads to a question at a debate questioning Obama's readiness for being commander in chief ("Even your own vice president said less than a year ago you might not be ready to be president..."), then the ad has done its job.

The part of Biden saying nice things about McCain does nothing for me. Biden wanted to run with or against McCain, who cares?

drsmooth, the primaries are over. You don't need to get your own party's votes. Joe Biden is a good Democrat, a great guy, and he'd add a lot to an Obama administration. He isn't a good fit for Obama to get independent votes. He doesn't reassure the Obamacans who ran to him for change. Joe Biden voted for the Iraq War. He undercuts everything Obama is running on. Maybe you guys are right. Maybe he'll win more votes with those that were concerned with inexperience than he loses from those who liked change and being outside the Beltway.

If McCain chooses Romney it's the same sort of pick. Romney spent months bashing McCain. The Obama campaign likely has ads ready where Romney did that. And then has an ad where Mike Huckabee says that Romney "looks like the guy who fired you." And Romney's wealth only confirms how much McCain is out of touch.

Zell Miller is a Democrat. You want someone to enhance the maverick position, but not a Democrat. That'd only confirm Republican suspicions that McCain is really a liberal. I don't know Sarah Palin's stance on drilling, but if she's pro-drilling she's an excellent choice. Young. Female. Popular with conservatives, but still appealing to independents. She can woo Clinton Democrats.

Laexile wrote:drsmooth, the primaries are over. You don't need to get your own party's votes. Joe Biden is a good Democrat, a great guy, and he'd add a lot to an Obama administration. He isn't a good fit for Obama to get independent votes. He doesn't reassure the Obamacans who ran to him for change. Joe Biden voted for the Iraq War. He undercuts everything Obama is running on. Maybe you guys are right. Maybe he'll win more votes with those that were concerned with inexperience than he loses from those who liked change and being outside the Beltway.

Nice contradiction. "You don't need to get your own party's votes" and then go on to say this will not reassure those who went to Obama looking for change. He already has those votes. Do you think they need to be reassured and are now thinking of looking at that radical McCain? He helps getting Obama votes with those he is weak with: moderate hawks, old people and lower income democrats (the old Clinton voters who have not embraced Obama).

Did you read the passage you quoted?

He isn't a good fit for Obama to get independent votes. He doesn't reassure the Obamacans who ran to him for change.

Democrats aren't voting for Obama for change. They're voting because his policies reflect their beliefs. Independents and Obamacans are going to him for change. He doesn't have those votes sewn up and he needs to. Biden could certainly help with constituencies you say and that may outweigh the votes he loses.

An Obama spokesman just said that there's nothing wrong with being a Beltway insider. John McCain's just the wrong Beltway insider. He's been on the wrong side of issues while Biden's been on the right side. She said it with a straight face! Forget that Biden and McCain voted together on stem cell research, campaign finance reform, immigration, the environment, and the Iraq War. Biden supported John Robert and Sam Alito. When Biden voted "yes" it was good. When McCain did it, it was bad.

So now Obama has to alter his message and throw away "change" and "outsider." Maybe those are no longer winning themes and he's got some new ones.

See, I am an Obamacan.

So I can say with some authority that you are wrong.

Laexile wrote:So now Obama has to alter his message and throw away "change" and "outsider." Maybe those are no longer winning themes and he's got some new ones.

Maybe in your mind, but he won't.

Can you even vote?

jerseyhoya wrote:Can you even vote?

Nope. He is still wrong though.

mpmcgraw wrote:

Laexile wrote:So now Obama has to alter his message and throw away "change" and "outsider." Maybe those are no longer winning themes and he's got some new ones.

Maybe in your mind, but he won't.

Great. I hope he does. Because he's brought in the opposite. This'll give the Republicans a lot of ammunition. He's my dream Democratic nominee. I'm off to the 7-11 to talk to the Indians now.

mpmcgraw wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Can you even vote?

Nope. He is still wrong though.

How can you not vote? If you can't vote how can you be a Republican who supports Obama? To be a Republican you have to... you know... register to vote.

Balancing the ticket is fine in theory, but one must be careful...

I'm a registered Republican.

Chew on that homie.

mpmcgraw wrote:I'm a registered Republican.

Chew on that homie.

You just said you can't vote.

Laexile wrote:

mpmcgraw wrote:

Laexile wrote:So now Obama has to alter his message and throw away "change" and "outsider." Maybe those are no longer winning themes and he's got some new ones.

Maybe in your mind, but he won't.

I'm off to the 7-11 to talk to the Indians now.

Is this a joke?

I only ask because I don't think I've ever seen you make a joke before and since you are republican there is a decent chance you are racist.

Biden stated that Delaware has a lot of Indians who run 7-11s.

mpmcgraw wrote:

Laexile wrote:I'm off to the 7-11 to talk to the Indians now.

Is this a joke?

I only ask because I don't think I've ever seen you make a joke before and since you are republican there is a decent chance you are racist.

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