Neoconservative Hipster Thinktank: Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Aug 22, 2008 09:37:52

VoxOrion wrote:Swish - I think what you describe goes to something a lot of conservative commentators talk about: In the post-war era, Americans don't really mind the wealthy elite, but cultiral elite status really gets to them. I think it's ironic that the left tends toward class demagoguery (for which conservatives cry "Marxism!") and don't actually seem to get as much traction as they would like from it - meanwhile the conservatives demagoug cultural elitism and a) get away with it and b) have much greater success with it. The examples you provide of Kerry and Gore apply well, I think Dukakis falls here (and Clinton notirously was immune - his Rhodes Scholar status, for example, was received as a plus not a negative).


Clinton was immune because he was genuinely comfortable eating corndogs and donuts at county fairs and never was embarrassed by his modest upbringing. I don't think people have a problem with elites, they have a problem with snobs. As Chris Rock once said Bill Clinton has real people problems.

I also think what helps a lot is having a sense of humor about yourself--to appear not to take yourself too seriously.

If I were Obama, I'd try to be caught smoking a few times in the next few weeks.
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Postby VoxOrion » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:05:35

It is true about Clinton. Edwards and Kerry could throw on their gray suits and go for that 'everyman' look but couldn't sell it because it wasn't genuine - swiss cheese.

Meanwhile the conservatives seem to get away with whatever they are because they're expected to be tools. Bush running around his ranch in flannel certainly doesn't play to the east or west coasts (it probably plays against him), and even if it does play to some of the red states, I think everyone knows he's a rich boy that's playing rancher for the weekend... and no one cares. Yeah, W. might actually be chopping down some trees, but everyone understands he's doing that as long as he wants to - the tree chopping will get done even if he decides he's done after 40 minutes.
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Postby Bakestar » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:21:06

STOP IT, he's not going to "txt" his supporters on the west coast until 9 AM PDT/12 noon EDT at the earliest.
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Postby FTN » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:39:57

so i mean, its gonna be hillary.

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Postby The Dude » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:42:45

Nope, Biden
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Postby Woody » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:43:01

FTN wrote:so i mean, its gonna be hillary.


I just got a text saying it was Les Walrond! zgom1!!

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Postby FTN » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:56:53

it could be will smith

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Postby BuddyGroom » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:22:34

Woody wrote:
FTN wrote:so i mean, its gonna be hillary.


I just got a text saying it was Les Walrond! zgom1!!


Sorry, that was a wrong number. I was trying to reach Gillick.
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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:23:21

Could Toby Keith be a VP pick out of left field?

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Postby mpmcgraw » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:37:37

if only

Toby Keith endorses Barack Obama!

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Postby swishnicholson » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:51:45

Joe Lieberman. They were just waiting until his slot speaking at the Republican Convention was assured. It will make great televison.
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Postby Woody » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:52:16

swishnicholson wrote:Joe Lieberman. They were just waiting until his slot speaking at the Republican Convention was assured. It will make great televison.


That would actually be amazing.

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Postby dajafi » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:15:36

Here's a headline that made me double-take:

Edwards Said to Be On Short List

Refers to Chet Edwards, the Texas congressman. I know very, very little about this guy, but he evidently was a finalist. Story here.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:25:09

How many people here actually signed up for this text message thing?

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:25:49

When asked about his veep selection, Obama said "he". So either he let it slip and it ain't a woman, or he's obfuscating.

BTW, I personally believe it's the latter, as I think his surprising choice is......... Oprah!
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Postby Laexile » Fri Aug 22, 2008 14:45:45

swishnicholson wrote:Joe Lieberman. They were just waiting until his slot speaking at the Republican Convention was assured. It will make great televison.

In 1824 John C. Calhoun offered himself up to both candidates as VP. VPs were elected differently then. Jackson-Calhoun got 98 electoral votes. Adams-Calhoun got 65. Clay-Calhoun got 11. Crawford-Calhoun got 7. Calhoun got almost as many electoral votes as Adams and Jackson combined. Maybe Joe can go for it.
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Postby CalvinBall » Fri Aug 22, 2008 15:13:16

I just signed up for the text message! When will I be getting a text?????

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Aug 22, 2008 15:14:18

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_4aEP6xoTg&[/youtube]

For serious?

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Postby CalvinBall » Fri Aug 22, 2008 15:17:13

Drugs are bad.

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Postby pacino » Fri Aug 22, 2008 17:42:36

mpmcgraw wrote:if only

Toby Keith endorses Barack Obama!

only after he sings about putting boots in asses and stringing up people
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