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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 30, 2008 18:53:50

I enjoyed their use of "self-indulgent" referring to someone else in the middle of one of the most over the top sentences ever.

For laughs, the Post is hard to beat. How many more months till they tell us Gephardt is the veep again?

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Postby dajafi » Wed Jan 30, 2008 18:55:43

VoxOrion wrote:
dajafi wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:Rasmussen has McCain beating both Clinton and Obama nationally.

But this is all before the agism, sexism, and racism gets into overdrive.


You disdain all of the above, right?


The agism, sexism, and racism? Or the candidates?



Thanks, Jonah. I did mean the candidates. I know you're not a bigot. (Ageist? Who knows. But it will make McCain's VP pick a little more fraught than usual...)

And of course, Mussolini would be in your bunch--he said fascism should be called "corporatism." Unsure if he was into organic food or not, though.

He created the army/church/business-->state blueprint, Franco perfected it, and Tom DeLay tried to enact the "Ernest Goes to Camp" version of it.

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Postby philliesphhan » Wed Jan 30, 2008 20:32:09

mpmcgraw wrote:I still have yet to hear a real reason anyone has for liking hillary clinton.


Perhaps her "35 years of experience" that she mentions in her ads
I'm not sure that being a lawyer really counts as experience when running for President though
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 30, 2008 22:27:58

The smirks on the faces of Romney and McCain while Paul is ranting about this and that are hilarious.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 30, 2008 22:32:44

"Would Ronald Reagan endorse you, and if so why?"

Really, CNN? Really?

Edit: And now Ron Paul is babbling about the gold standard.

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Postby pacino » Thu Jan 31, 2008 00:02:58

Huckabee staying in this thing is basically giving McCain this thing. Did Huckster have a problem with Romney? Most of his votes would go towards him if he finally gave up.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Jan 31, 2008 00:08:15

pacino wrote:Huckabee staying in this thing is basically giving McCain this thing. Did Huckster have a problem with Romney? Most of his votes would go towards him if he finally gave up.


Some people around here believe that Huckabee is staying in this thing so he can continue to pay his family out of the money he's raised.

Another Arkansas angle--Hillary was here today. Some think it's a sign of trouble, since should should carry the Democratic primary easily. I don't think that's really the case. I think it has more to do with not wanting to unnecessarily piss off a lot of supporters who might feel miffed if she didn't stop buy. She locked up just about everyone who matters in the Democratic party in this state long ago, not that anyone should be surprised by that.
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Postby WilliamC » Thu Jan 31, 2008 00:13:08

I just hope that when Hillary and McCain do win their nominations and the hate-ads start coming out they go all out war on one another. They are usually just so unclever and stupid with these things. If you are going to rip on someone in non-clever roundabout ways, you might as well just go all out.

The theme of Clinton's first ad should be: "You going to vote for this guy? He'll never be a lame duck candidate because he will be lame-dead by the end of his first term".

McCain's first add's theme should be: "You want to put a bitch in the oval office without her being there to suck your dick? Craziness players".


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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 31, 2008 00:18:25

pacino wrote:Huckabee staying in this thing is basically giving McCain this thing. Did Huckster have a problem with Romney? Most of his votes would go towards him if he finally gave up.

Um, yes.

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Postby Laexile » Thu Jan 31, 2008 00:29:57

pacino wrote:Huckabee staying in this thing is basically giving McCain this thing. Did Huckster have a problem with Romney? Most of his votes would go towards him if he finally gave up.

Interesting take. The polls in some states have McCain running neck and neck with Huckabee and Romney significantly behind. I was thinking Huckabee dropping out would give McCain those states the way Guiliani dropping out should give New York and New Jersey to McCain. My assumption was that the votes would distribute the way they had before, but perhaps you're on to something.

Huckabee and Guiliani both hate Romney. And Romney doesn't seem to be getting a lot of endorsements from other Republicans. Word out here is that Arnold is going to endorse McCain.
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Postby dajafi » Thu Jan 31, 2008 01:00:35

Marc Ambinder's sense of Super Tuesday

He's more optimistic than I was for Obama... which is good, being that he's a political reporter and all.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 31, 2008 01:03:39

dajafi wrote:Marc Ambinder's sense of Super Tuesday

He's more optimistic than I was for Obama... which is good, being that he's a political reporter and all.

He's also smart, which makes him a special breed of political reporter. He's worth listening to.

*But he's too optimistic about Obama. See MA polls linked earlier in this thread.

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Postby CMD » Thu Jan 31, 2008 09:19:51

I still think those Massachusetts polls listed above are not accurate...

The numbers represented close to 63% women and 90% white. Hilary may win Massachusetts but I guarantee not by such a large margin...

More recent Rasmussen Poll shows Clinton w/ a 6% lead in MA (still taken before Edwards dropped out).
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Postby Disco Stu » Thu Jan 31, 2008 09:29:13

WilliamC wrote:I just hope that when Hillary and McCain do win their nominations and the hate-ads start coming out they go all out war on one another. They are usually just so unclever and stupid with these things. If you are going to rip on someone in non-clever roundabout ways, you might as well just go all out.

The theme of Clinton's first ad should be: "You going to vote for this guy? He'll never be a lame duck candidate because he will be lame-dead by the end of his first term".

McCain's first add's theme should be: "You want to put a bitch in the oval office without her being there to suck your dick? Craziness players".


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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:27:15

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Postby momadance » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:40:04

Obama is certainly picking up steam in MA...

1/22
- Clinton 59%, Obama 22%, Edwards 11%
1/28 - Clinton 43%, Obama 37%, No data for Edwards per electoral-vote.com

According to the Rasmussen 1/29 CA poll, Clinton only holds a 3 point lead.
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Postby traderdave » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:49:03

momadance wrote:Obama is certainly picking up steam in MA...

1/22 - Clinton 59%, Obama 22%, Edwards 11%
1/28 - Clinton 43%, Obama 37%, No data for Edwards per electoral-vote.com

According to the Rasmussen 1/29 CA poll, Clinton only holds a 3 point lead.


:-D :-D :-D


So California is a dead heat and MA is down to 6%. WOW! Tonight is HUGE for Obama (and for Clinton). I hope he doesn't fall into any petty bickering and stays on message. The objective of tonight for Obama should be just to talk issues (particularly working in some talk about poverty to "speak to" the Edwards people and maybe even pull an endorsement of out Edwards prior to Mega Tuesday). I enjoyed watching him spar with Clinton in the last debate but I fear any more of it will begin to turn voters off.

We'll hear about Hillary and her 35 years of public service about 1,000 times tonight but I think people are starting to see right through that. I understand, and agree, that experience matters but her constant harping on it reminds me of Giuliani and 9/11.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 31, 2008 16:28:40

There's some discussion at RedState today of people who are in 2/12 or later states that have open primaries of rallying around Hillary if the GOP nomination is completely decided Tuesday.

I'm amused.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Jan 31, 2008 16:31:07

jerseyhoya wrote:There's some discussion at RedState today of people who are in 2/12 or later states that have open primaries of rallying around Hillary if the GOP nomination is completely decided Tuesday.

I'm amused.


I'm pretty convinced given how the primaries have unfolded that Redstate represents a small subset of Republican/Conservative voters, a subset that has narrowed considerably over the last year or so. The Republican primary process has really wrecked what was once an interesting place.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 31, 2008 16:31:56

Yahtzee!

However much we're paying the National Journal people, it's almost certainly not enough.

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