A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby 1 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:56:38

stevelxa476 wrote:
1 wrote:So the kid from Barnegat can really light up the gun


He would be a nice bridge into our next era of dominance, bae.


I'll be following him 'cause he could be way of the future.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby lethal » Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:37:20

Heyman: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon ... plus-notes

The Phillies, following a disastrous start to the season, have rallied nicely since they hired earlier this summer veteran baseball man Andy MacPhail, whether that's coincidental or not. Since MacPhail arrived, some young Phillies prospects finally have shown promise, and the big, long-awaited trade for Cole Hamels helped restock an oft-criticized farm system. In some way they have seemed to turn a corner following a few-year run of misguided contracts, diminishing returns and general negativity. Of course, the understandable belief is that MacPhail, a two-time World Series winner and rejuvenator of the Cubs and Orioles, would not have been brought in to maintain status quo.

Amaro's status is tenuous enough that there are already rumors about possible replacements; though this may all fall under the conjecture heading, those names include Angels assistant GM Matt Klentak, a MacPhail favorite from his Orioles days, plus Royals assistant GM J.J. Piccolo and Giants scouting director John Barr.


I've heard Klentak discussed before. What about him as a GM candidate? Seems more analytical (which for the Phillies is a low bar to clear).

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Aug 21, 2015 13:23:03

lethal wrote:Heyman: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon ... plus-notes

The Phillies, following a disastrous start to the season, have rallied nicely since they hired earlier this summer veteran baseball man Andy MacPhail, whether that's coincidental or not. Since MacPhail arrived, some young Phillies prospects finally have shown promise, and the big, long-awaited trade for Cole Hamels helped restock an oft-criticized farm system. In some way they have seemed to turn a corner following a few-year run of misguided contracts, diminishing returns and general negativity. Of course, the understandable belief is that MacPhail, a two-time World Series winner and rejuvenator of the Cubs and Orioles, would not have been brought in to maintain status quo.

Amaro's status is tenuous enough that there are already rumors about possible replacements; though this may all fall under the conjecture heading, those names include Angels assistant GM Matt Klentak, a MacPhail favorite from his Orioles days, plus Royals assistant GM J.J. Piccolo and Giants scouting director John Barr.


I've heard Klentak discussed before. What about him as a GM candidate? Seems more analytical (which for the Phillies is a low bar to clear).


So MacPhail is going to get all the credit when the Phillies turn it around when in reality, a lot of it should go to Gillick and Almarez. Things started turning around when Gillick took over for Montgomery.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Aug 21, 2015 13:29:00

F-you, New York Times. Only Phillies fans are allowed to be this goth about the Phillies.

There is hope among the new faces. Maikel Franco, a 22-year-old third baseman, showed some pop this year, though he is now hurt, and the 23-year-old center fielder Odubel Herrera may turn out to be good. The 22-year-old starter Aaron Nola is also promising.

But Baseball America in the spring ranked the Phillies’ minor league talent only 21st in baseball. And the team’s top-rated prospect, shortstop J. P. Crawford, has not been tearing up Class AA this year.

Losing is not unfamiliar to the Phillies franchise. In 2007, it became the first in baseball history to reach 10,000 losses.

In their first year, 1883, as the Philadelphia Quakers, they were 17-81, hit three home runs all year and gave up twice as many earned runs as the champion Boston Beaneaters.

From 1918 to 1948, the Phils had one winning record (78-76 in 1932).
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby cartersDad26 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 13:37:52

love how they conveniently mentioned the 10000 losses without saying we are one of the oldest franchises and in the same year overtook the fucking Mets for 1st on the last day of the season.
Going back to 1883 and '18-48 to talk losses? pffff.

also - how lazy is it to quote BA preseason ranks when we've just gone out and gotten like 12 new prospects.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Fri Aug 21, 2015 13:43:06

Lol at the Crawford comment. Doubtful whoever wrote that follows the minors at all.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Soren » Fri Aug 21, 2015 13:44:00

ReadingPhilly wrote:Lol at the Crawford comment. Doubtful whoever wrote that follows the minors at all.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby pacino » Fri Aug 21, 2015 13:49:49

Victor Mather needs to stick to not writing about baseball
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Aug 21, 2015 14:05:54

What was the premise of that column that they needed stats from 1818?

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Soren » Fri Aug 21, 2015 14:07:18

the premise is that the new york times really enjoyies shitting on philadelphia
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Soren » Fri Aug 21, 2015 14:07:42

Soren wrote:enjoyies


I have brain damage
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Aug 21, 2015 14:10:10

Doll Is Mine wrote:What was the premise of that column that they needed stats from 1818?


That was Utley's rookie year.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby The B1G Piece » Fri Aug 21, 2015 15:14:47

fuck the Mets

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 21, 2015 16:27:15

Soren wrote:the premise is that the new york times really enjoyies shitting on philadelphia


They pretty much enjoy shitting on sports generally.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Bill McNeal » Fri Aug 21, 2015 16:54:05

The B1G Piece wrote:fuck the Mets

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Philly the Kid » Fri Aug 21, 2015 19:44:25

If you collapse Ryan Howard's first two less than full seasons and his later 2 less than full seasons, in to one season each - he has 10 years of play avg 35hrs, 112rbi, 80runs, 26dbls. Not a bad 10 year avg. Frustration is that there's a dominant 5 1/2 and a mediocre to poor 4 1/2. His OPS and Slugging are respectable still for a career, despite his steep decline.

When it's all said and done, I'm not even sure he'll have been that overpaid? It's just like it all went in reverse order. His last 5 season paychecks are for his first 5 seasons...

I always thought his career would mirror Big Papi's moreso -- not a HOFer, but not a terrible career.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby MoBettle » Fri Aug 21, 2015 19:45:37

That's not how it works though. He's being overpaid now
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Philly the Kid » Fri Aug 21, 2015 19:48:23

Further ruminations --

If the Phils would have brought Utley and Howard up 2 seasons sooner, as ft players, and never had the fall out with Rolen, and kept him all those years. That would have been one helluvah home-grown infield there by 2004-2008. Imagine JD Drew in RF and Burrell in LF, and that would have been a serious built from the farm team - well...

Abreu was great so no beef there other than he couldn't be part of '08.

Sure hope we can build something now similar. At least 4-5 everyday players from our Farm, and 1-2 starters and 1-2 relievers from the farm too.

It's the most fun.

(wish there was still "territorial rights" in sports, so we could have had first shot at Trout! :-) )

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 21, 2015 20:22:11

We got Biddle.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

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