smitty wrote:In the metropolitan area, Philly is sixth, Phoenix is twelfth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ical_Areas

I guess the weirder one would be the Marlins then.

Phoenix metro is larger than Detroit though.

The Athletics just traded LHP Scott Kazmir somewhere.

First rumor is to the Houston Astros.

Squire wrote:The Athletics just traded LHP Scott Kazmir somewhere.

First rumor is to the Houston Astros.

Dang.

Kazmir to the Astros for RHP Daniel Mengeden and C Jacob Nottingham. MLB.com had them as the #19 and #22 prospects in the Astros system

Squire wrote:The Athletics just traded LHP Scott Kazmir somewhere.

First rumor is to the Houston Astros.

He ain't no Cole Hamels.

so what's utley gonna use for a walk-up song now

Bucky wrote:so what's utley gonna use for a walk-up song now

Utley can walk?!?!

smitty wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

smitty wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:it is so insane. here have a top 100 prospect bc your city is small.

What does this babble mean?

He means small city teams get free draft picks in the first 100 picks.

Got it.

If you don't suck at your selection, a pick around 50th overall is probably going to end up being a top 100 prospect in a year or three.

Think it's time for a trade deadline topic

Toronto is pursuing ol friend Carrasco, and the Dodgers are discussing Gallardo

Polar Bear Phan wrote:

smitty wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

smitty wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:it is so insane. here have a top 100 prospect bc your city is small.

What does this babble mean?

He means small city teams get free draft picks in the first 100 picks.

Got it.

If you don't suck at your selection, a pick around 50th overall is probably going to end up being a top 100 prospect in a year or three.

Since 2000, the number 50 pick has rarely made the big leagues for a significant time. Most never made it at all. Seth Smith and Micah Owings were the only two who had big league success.

I'm really fascinated by this stuff. The whole thing is kind of a crap shoot.

smitty wrote:

Polar Bear Phan wrote:

smitty wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

smitty wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:it is so insane. here have a top 100 prospect bc your city is small.

What does this babble mean?

He means small city teams get free draft picks in the first 100 picks.

Got it.

If you don't suck at your selection, a pick around 50th overall is probably going to end up being a top 100 prospect in a year or three.

Since 2000, the number 50 pick has rarely made the big leagues for a significant time. Most never made it at all. Seth Smith and Micah Owings were the only two who had big league success.

I'm really fascinated by this stuff. The whole thing is kind of a crap shoot.

The prospect generally retains value for a few years unless you really screw up though. It's more than you're gifting these guys a free Kyle Lohse-type at the deadline every year they're in a pennant race

MoBettle wrote:

smitty wrote:

Polar Bear Phan wrote:

smitty wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

smitty wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:it is so insane. here have a top 100 prospect bc your city is small.

What does this babble mean?

He means small city teams get free draft picks in the first 100 picks.

Got it.

If you don't suck at your selection, a pick around 50th overall is probably going to end up being a top 100 prospect in a year or three.

Since 2000, the number 50 pick has rarely made the big leagues for a significant time. Most never made it at all. Seth Smith and Micah Owings were the only two who had big league success.

I'm really fascinated by this stuff. The whole thing is kind of a crap shoot.

The prospect generally retains value for a few years unless you really screw up though. It's more than you're gifting these guys a free Kyle Lohse-type at the deadline every year they're in a pennant race

I don't think any of them were top 100 prospects though.

Draftees are in the minors for maybe 5 years and then you add in international signees, of your top 100 prospects maybe what, 10-15 came out of any one draft? A number 40-60 pick is no certainty to ever make a top 100 list.

smitty wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

smitty wrote:

Polar Bear Phan wrote:

smitty wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

smitty wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:it is so insane. here have a top 100 prospect bc your city is small.

What does this babble mean?

He means small city teams get free draft picks in the first 100 picks.

Got it.

If you don't suck at your selection, a pick around 50th overall is probably going to end up being a top 100 prospect in a year or three.

Since 2000, the number 50 pick has rarely made the big leagues for a significant time. Most never made it at all. Seth Smith and Micah Owings were the only two who had big league success.

I'm really fascinated by this stuff. The whole thing is kind of a crap shoot.

The prospect generally retains value for a few years unless you really screw up though. It's more than you're gifting these guys a free Kyle Lohse-type at the deadline every year they're in a pennant race

I don't think any of them were top 100 prospects though.

Was just throwing Lohse's name out there. Someone better than him then.

Even with bigger packages like Hamels, there are various boxes teams want to check when trading guys. E.g. "We want a top 20 prospect, a top 50 prospect, and a top 100 prospect"

MoBettle wrote:

smitty wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

smitty wrote:

Polar Bear Phan wrote:

smitty wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

smitty wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:it is so insane. here have a top 100 prospect bc your city is small.

What does this babble mean?

He means small city teams get free draft picks in the first 100 picks.

Got it.

If you don't suck at your selection, a pick around 50th overall is probably going to end up being a top 100 prospect in a year or three.

Since 2000, the number 50 pick has rarely made the big leagues for a significant time. Most never made it at all. Seth Smith and Micah Owings were the only two who had big league success.

I'm really fascinated by this stuff. The whole thing is kind of a crap shoot.

The prospect generally retains value for a few years unless you really screw up though. It's more than you're gifting these guys a free Kyle Lohse-type at the deadline every year they're in a pennant race

I don't think any of them were top 100 prospects though.

Was just throwing Lohse's name out there. Someone better than him then.

Even with bigger packages like Hamels, there are various boxes teams want to check when trading guys. E.g. "We want a top 20 prospect, a top 50 prospect, and a top 100 prospect"

There's not a #50 pick as good as Lohse even. Seth Smith and Owings are the only two who even had a big league career since 2000.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/history/draft/dr ... sorted_by=

It's kinda fun to look up draft picks. Far more misses than hits. And that's in the first round. It's not easy getting average or better players in a draft. Good thing teams have a lot of picks. I really like what the Phillies have done over that last few drafts. At least the minor league teams are doing quite well. Especially after last year.

I get what you are saying Mo. The prospects who are now in the top 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 stand a fair chance of succeeding at the big league level. Then again, there's Dom Brown.

Giving a team more shots at the crapshoot that is draft prospects just because they are based in a small city is a joke imo. Especially as a few of those teams don't need to be competitively balanced.

I agree, it's stoopid. The more throws you get the better your chances in a crapshoot. No need for the Cardinals to get more throws. St. Louis metro area is plenty big.

smitty wrote:I get what you are saying Mo. The prospects who are now in the top 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 stand a fair chance of succeeding at the big league level. Then again, there's Dom Brown.

No my point is that teams around the league value these prospects, even if you don't. So they're valuable to you because they can help you can something that you want, aka proven MLB talent. Dom Brown could have gotten you Roy Halladay at one point.

I might be getting too deep in the weeds here.

smitty wrote:There's not a #50 pick as good as Lohse even. Seth Smith and Owings are the only two who even had a big league career since 2000.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/history/draft/dr ... sorted_by=

It's kinda fun to look up draft picks. Far more misses than hits. And that's in the first round. It's not easy getting average or better players in a draft. Good thing teams have a lot of picks. I really like what the Phillies have done over that last few drafts. At least the minor league teams are doing quite well. Especially after last year.

I'm not sure I follow you, smitty. Every year there are draft picks at #50 and beyond who do well in the majors. Just grabbing 2001 as a for instance brings up Dan Haren, C.J. Wilson, Kevin Youkilis, old friend Ryan Howard and others. And, as has been pointed out, value can be realized by prospects at this level who turn out to be crappy as long as you manage to trade them off before everyone realizes this. Now, identifying the successful players and drafting them is the trick, certainly and that can be quite a crapshoot, but some seem to do it better than others. But I don't think we can or should entirely dismiss the value of the competitive balance picks. But maybe that's not what you're saying.