Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby smitty » Mon Sep 29, 2014 16:16:50

JFLNYC wrote:Maybe Rube is right and walks don't mean shit.


Guys who take a lot of pitches aren't necessarily good hitters. Guys who take pitches until they get one they can sock are what you want. Walks are often a byproduct of that approach. But if you can't hurt the pitcher too much when he throws strikes, it doesn't do a ton of good. See Ben Revere.

It looks like Rollins showed a guy can make progress in increasing walks. It ain't easy though.

It's not exceptionally simple. Some guys are better off swinging more. It's possible to be too passive. However, the guys the Phils should be trying to get should have a good eye at the plate. Dugan has some potential in this regard if he can stay healthy. Franco not so much at this point. He's really young so maybe he can get a bit better. He certainly changed his swing quite a bit this season.

I think the ability to foul off tough pitches is an under rated skill. Phils have not been loaded with these types.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Woody » Mon Sep 29, 2014 16:20:37

Baseball is funny, that's what I'm hearing
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby smitty » Mon Sep 29, 2014 16:22:59

It's funny all right. But I ain't laughing.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Slowhand » Mon Sep 29, 2014 20:53:01

This could probably go in the things that blow your mind thread, but I was just looking at Rube's stats as a player, and in 1988 in the minors he drew 109 walks. In 3683 minor league plate appearances he had an OBP of .399 with more walks than strikeouts. I mean, he was a crappy major league player, but I did not expect to see those numbers out of him even in the minors. Still gotta fire him the bum though.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby The Dude » Mon Sep 29, 2014 20:54:41

he's the opposite of billy beane
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Soren » Mon Sep 29, 2014 20:56:28

The Dude wrote:he's the opposite of billy beane


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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby dajafi » Mon Sep 29, 2014 22:12:53

The Dude wrote:he's the opposite of billy beane


That's exactly right. Down to Beane not going to Stanford. I'm convinced they have some superhero/supervillain dynamic going.

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby SixerLed3 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 22:30:40

Phillies owner John Middleton weighs in... for what it's worth, it's a verified account.

To whom it may concern, I have not read these articles - not because I'm not interested in fan opinion but rather because false conjecture bothers me - but I have heard from friends in Philly there is wild speculation today over the Phillies. Remember 99% of what you read is totally inaccurate. And one more point brought to my attention. A general partner control baseball operating decisions. Limited partners vote on a variety of things, which may or may not be specifically on the field related. Limited partners are owners, the people involved in said limited partnership are equity shareholders and directors technically. The structure is far more complexed than it appears is being discussed and understood in articles and/or online. Also, I am a film and tv producer - seemingly confusion there also. But there's this fantastic invention called Google, as well as other sites like IMDbPro (regular often inaccurate). I live in Malibu because I work in LA.

One thing I can tell you, the Phillies are doing their best in a bad situation. The team just gave you arguably one of the three best runs in NL history, the others being, in my opinion, the 60s Cardinals and 90s Braves. Philly prides itself on being tough, but also LOYAL to its core. Changes and new additions, rough stretches, these are a fact of sport. Death, taxes, and your sports team will not win the championship every year. So please continue to support a team trying to right its ship, certainly spending the money necessary to do so, and look forward to the upswing and many more years of great baseball, consecutive pennants and division titles, and world championships to come. I'm proud to be a Philadelphian, but I'm not proud a fan base built on LOYALTY is abandoning ship because of a series of bad years. We are better than that. #GoPhils


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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Sep 29, 2014 22:38:37

I'm fairly sure that's a different John Middleton.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Mon Sep 29, 2014 22:56:28

Thanks for verifying you live in Malibu
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby The Dude » Mon Sep 29, 2014 22:59:27

thanks sixerfed
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 22:59:57

JFLNYC wrote:I'm fairly sure that's a different John Middleton.


His dad is the John S. Middleton that's part-owner

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby The Dude » Mon Sep 29, 2014 23:02:09

i love how he calls himself part owner of phils
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby smitty » Mon Sep 29, 2014 23:07:02

He isn't too hip regarding baseball history. The Dodgers three times at least, Cardinals in the 30s and 40s, Giants a couple of times, the early Cubs, Braves in the 50s, Pirates at times and the Reds in the late 60s/70s all had runs as good or better than the current Phillies. Even the mid 70s to early 80s Phillies had a nice run. That's just off the top of my head. How can he not know that?
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby The Dude » Mon Sep 29, 2014 23:17:58

also he wears a dodgers hat
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Sep 29, 2014 23:20:39

Lol fuck that guy and the high horse he rode in on.

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 23:56:01

September 17:

johnmiddleton
Wonderful. RT @MattGelb: A.J. Burnett allows five runs (four earned) in his 32d start, which bumped his 2015 player option to $12.75 million.


Hey he's not all bad

Apparently this Twitter rant was triggered by the comments on Brookover's article about Amaro

A man who can tell them what to do was visible after Sunday's season finale. John Middleton, the most involved of the ownership partners, sat alone just outside the clubhouse following the final game and admitted it has been a long, difficult season.

Exactly how much influence he'll have in the offseason decision-making process remains to be seen, but his is definitely a voice that is growing louder, and the Phillies have some serious financial issues to resolve in the coming months.


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There is no 2015 season in Philadelphia. Let Montgomery and his 9 million advisors enjoy their scotch in vast empty hollows of CBP and Amaro collect a check for destroying a great franchise. What an idiot. What a bunch of idiot owners.


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No quotes? How long has Bob the Brainwasher been talking to John Middleton?

How many years?

THIS is the guy who matters. But, which John Middleton is he referring to? John S. the father, or John Powers Middleton the son who is living in a Malibu beach house (he's tweeted pics of his view from the back deck) and works as a "producer" at Warner Brothers?


btw Gillick told Cooney in an interview today that Rube is staying because Cole and Cliff were hurt. Great

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Shore » Tue Sep 30, 2014 00:24:15

BigEd76 wrote:btw Gillick told Cooney in an interview today that Rube is staying because Cole and Cliff were hurt. Great


Hamels made 30 starts and pitched 204 innings. He was 8th in the league in IP.

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 00:28:18

Yea but those 3 starts in April....!

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Didn't I? » Tue Sep 30, 2014 00:39:07

Yeah, that's his kid. We have mutual friends.
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