Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby drsmooth » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:21:20

Soren wrote:
The Dude wrote:he's the opposite of billy beane


Total package


Total envelope?
Yes, but in a double utley you can put your utley on top they other guy's utley, and you're the winner. (Swish)

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Squire » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:21:25

MoBettle wrote:
Shore wrote:2014: 2,423,852 (10th of 15)
2013: 3,012,403 (4th of 15)
2012: 3,565,718 (1st of 16)
2011: 3,680,718 (1st of 16)
2010: 3,777,322 (1st of 16)
2009: 3,600,693 (2nd of 16)
2008: 3,422,583 (4th of 16)


If you figure the average ass in a seat is worth $75, which I think is conservative, the terrible play of the team over the last 2 years has cost them ~$135M. (3.6M in attendance to 3.0 and then 2.4 = deficit of 1.8M tickets * $75 = $135M).

The first-to-worst mockery, then general disdain for Amaro by nearly everyone , and their presence atop any "can't buy wins" list has also hurt the brand, for whatever that's worth.

Another 70-75 win season is going to drop attendance further next year - probably another $135M hit on top of that already suffered - and they can't do much about that yet. But if they bottom out at ~$150M/year of lost revenue, every single day that they don't make a decision to right the ship costs them about $400K. Using FG value of about $5.5M/win, the team loses a win's worth of spending every 2 weeks - we can afford 26 fewer wins each year than we could in 2008-20011.

But, hey, everything's fine. Patch up here, add a guy there, and hope, and we might contend long enough to pretend there's no problem next year, too.

We will feel this in the payroll, and decision making. And we'll be told it's our fault, that we no longer support the team.


The players just have to play better.


I don't know what you expect Amaro to do about it.

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby momadance » Tue Sep 30, 2014 13:02:12

The Dude wrote:also he wears a dodgers hat


http://twitter.com/johnmiddleton/status ... 48/photo/1


Nice troll inscription though.

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Bill McNeal » Tue Sep 30, 2014 13:04:46

Posted at 4:20
man I drew all these penises for nothing - housh

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Soren » Tue Sep 30, 2014 13:42:58

drsmooth wrote:
Soren wrote:
The Dude wrote:he's the opposite of billy beane


Total package


Total envelope?


one is the container, the other is the thing you stuff into the container.
Olivia Meadows, your "emotional poltergeist"

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby smitty » Tue Sep 30, 2014 14:02:38

After a horrible, horrible start, Fast Freddie Galvis finished the season with a .760 OPS in the second half. SSSS only 82 PAs. Slugged real good (.468).

If he hits OK and fields like a demon, that has some value. Maybe they can trade Rollins for a reliefer or something.

Replacing Howard and Dom with nearly anyone improves the team. Both of those guys can't hit or field.

Giles gives them a real good bullpen but nearly every team has a real good bullpen.

Rollins, Utley, Byrd and Ruiz were actually pretty good. Would be a miracle if they repeat.

Hamels and Cliff Lee is a good start for the rotation. As long as they keep Hamels and Lee can bounce back. They have the fifth starter covered as they have like four of them. Anyone see the big giant hole in the starting rotation?

This team right now is worse than their final record indicates in my view.

Can they go from worst to first? Possible. The Red Sox did it. They had a LOT of luck. The Phillies would need even more. The Red Sox were in better shape than the Phils and made a bunch of smart and lucky moves. Plus, the Red Sox fell apart again really quickly because the luck ran out and most of their youngsters, who are better than the Phils' kids, crapped out as well.

Phils could use a Cuban and maybe an Aruban as well. They do have a ton of international guys throughout the system. Most of them have been pretty lousy though.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Soren » Tue Sep 30, 2014 14:19:50

I'm not counting on Lee for anything next year.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Sep 30, 2014 14:33:43

Cody Asche, Age 24: .252/.309/.390 95 ops+

Chase Utley, Age 24: .239/.322/.373 87 ops+

Yeah, I don't think it means anything either.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Grotewold » Tue Sep 30, 2014 14:42:06

BigEd76 wrote:btw Gillick told Cooney in an interview today that Rube is staying because Cole and Cliff were hurt. Great


This is the actual quote (which followed a fully positive appraisal of Sandberg, fwiw)

Ruben, under the circumstance… I said that everyone has injuries. He had a couple of rough ones. Hey, he had to replace people like Hamels and Lee. Those are things that he’s had to work through. But as I said at the beginning of our talk, I definitely think that we have to make changes. We have to get younger and we have to get more athletic. We have to turn this ship in a different direction now.


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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Grotewold » Tue Sep 30, 2014 14:50:22

Inquirer says Burnett has to decide on his option within a week of the World Series, which I hadn't heard before

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Sep 30, 2014 14:59:05

Soren wrote:I'm not counting on Lee for anything next year.


It's OK. I'm sure Burnett will be back.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby smitty » Tue Sep 30, 2014 15:43:38

swishnicholson wrote:Cody Asche, Age 24: .252/.309/.390 95 ops+

Chase Utley, Age 24: .239/.322/.373 87 ops+

Yeah, I don't think it means anything either.


He won't be an Utley. But at least he's not 34. I think he will be fairly decent next year.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Sep 30, 2014 15:45:28

JFLNYC wrote:
Soren wrote:I'm not counting on Lee for anything next year.


It's OK. I'm sure Burnett will be back.

Is there an option to give Burnett's left elbow ligaments/tendons to Lee?

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Grotewold » Tue Sep 30, 2014 15:47:10

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:
Soren wrote:I'm not counting on Lee for anything next year.


It's OK. I'm sure Burnett will be back.

Is there an option to give Burnett's left elbow ligaments/tendons to Lee?


Well they already share hobbies and an agent

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby JUburton » Tue Sep 30, 2014 15:54:13

swishnicholson wrote:Cody Asche, Age 24: .252/.309/.390 95 ops+

Chase Utley, Age 24: .239/.322/.373 87 ops+

Yeah, I don't think it means anything either.
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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby ReadingPhilly » Tue Sep 30, 2014 16:09:39

all coaches asked to return.

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby Shore » Tue Sep 30, 2014 16:13:04

ReadingPhilly wrote:all coaches asked to return.


Look at the progress of a guy like Dom Brown - at the plate, in the field, and on the bases. How could you NOT ask them all back?

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby heyeaglefn » Tue Sep 30, 2014 16:13:11

Knew it was going to happen, I bet Amaro gets another year to fix this as well. Shitty players, can't blame coaches.

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby CFP » Tue Sep 30, 2014 16:22:41

I am beyond sad about the state of the franchise. Nauseating.

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Re: Random Phillies thoughts(of impending winter sports)

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 16:41:10

The beat writers are focusing on the word "asked". They think at least one of the coaches won't return

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