RichmondPhilsFan wrote:there are no cameras installed in any Ferguson PD vehicles yet....

have a heart. can you imagine how hard it is to wield a screwdriver when you're wearing all that body armor?

jerseyhoya wrote:It's St. Louis County, Missouri. It's a suburban county with a million people in it that has been run by a black county executive since 2003. It's not the deep south. It's a Democratic leaning county of inner ring suburbs of St. Louis. I don't really think one of their typical questions in the prosecutor's office when interviewing candidates is "we like saying the n-word, is that a problem for you?". It sounded, as the lady was saying it, like something she was making up to me.

The last time I was in St. Louis County (2010), I was lectured twice by locals. Both lectures included the phrase "You're in the bible belt now." People there are fucking nuts.

momadance wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:It's St. Louis County, Missouri. It's a suburban county with a million people in it that has been run by a black county executive since 2003. It's not the deep south. It's a Democratic leaning county of inner ring suburbs of St. Louis. I don't really think one of their typical questions in the prosecutor's office when interviewing candidates is "we like saying the n-word, is that a problem for you?". It sounded, as the lady was saying it, like something she was making up to me.

The last time I was in St. Louis County (2010), I was lectured twice by locals. Both lectures included the phrase "You're in the bible belt now." People there are #$!&@ nuts.

do tell

Great baseball fans though. They love them sum Cartnils

karn wrote:

momadance wrote:Al-Jazeera getting gassed...

https://twitter.com/CassFM/statuses/499800133174063104

Raw video of it. Unreal.

http://www.ksdk.com/videos/news/local/2 ... /14042891/

pacino wrote:

momadance wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:It's St. Louis County, Missouri. It's a suburban county with a million people in it that has been run by a black county executive since 2003. It's not the deep south. It's a Democratic leaning county of inner ring suburbs of St. Louis. I don't really think one of their typical questions in the prosecutor's office when interviewing candidates is "we like saying the n-word, is that a problem for you?". It sounded, as the lady was saying it, like something she was making up to me.

The last time I was in St. Louis County (2010), I was lectured twice by locals. Both lectures included the phrase "You're in the bible belt now." People there are #$!&@ nuts.

do tell

Same hotel, two different employees. The first one was the hotel clerk. The second one was the hotel bartender. Both were questions and comments about the public transportation there because we didn't want to stay in the hotel but didn't want to drive anywhere during a snow storm. We decided after the lecture from the bartender it was best to go back to the room, go to bed, and get the hell out first thing in the morning.

have their been any reports of cops just abandoning their posts or anything like that? they cant all possibly be morally alright with what is happening here.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:But hey guys, it's just a few bad nights. It's not incompetent/hostile leadership trickling down into the ranks of law enforcement and prosecutors.

Seriously, jh? I get the point you're trying to make, but that comment makes you seem, well... let's be generous and call it naive. This is a flashpoint of a conflux of things that have been increasingly (rather than decreasingly) problematic around our country. Ingrained racism/racial stereotyping in law enforcement, the militarization of law enforcement, and the mistrust of law enforcement in the African-American community.

I think the intent of that particular comment was how this event is not only awful for the people of Ferguson, and not only bad for the rest of the US, but that it damages our credibility abroad and weakens our moral authority to intercede in humanitarian efforts. The comment was not minimizing the impact of this tragedy, but pointing out that it has an even greater impact than many people might have noted; it also negatively influences our foreign policy efforts.

Werthless wrote:The comment was not minimizing the impact of this tragedy, but pointing out that it has an even greater impact than many people might have noted; it also negatively influences our foreign policy efforts.

I was informed in public by great statesmen like Sen Graham of SC that our gay muslim pretend president has incompetenced us down to the lowest travesty level; therefore clearly the only way we could go is up?

should the president have popped his head into this yet?

jamiethekiller wrote:should the president have popped his head into this yet?

Beers for everybody!

jamiethekiller wrote:should the president have popped his head into this yet?

I believe it's protocol to wait for the guv of the effing state to get back from the state fair first

jerseyhoya wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Maddow had an attorney/columnist for the St Louis American on last night, and she talked about how she had little faith in the local prosecutor's investigation. She told an anecdote about how when she interviewed for a position in that office, they literally asked her "so, Liz, you'll hear the n-word get thrown around a decent amount here... will you be comfortable with that?"

Found video of the interview: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/little-faith-in-fairness-in-ferguson-317949507975

Was watching that live and had a tremendously tough time believing the story. Who the hell would ask that question?

You really haven't ever set foot outside of suburban Jersey, have you? I'm not trying to be glib, but come on.

It's St. Louis County, Missouri. It's a suburban county with a million people in it that has been run by a black county executive since 2003. It's not the deep south. It's a Democratic leaning county of inner ring suburbs of St. Louis. I don't really think one of their typical questions in the prosecutor's office when interviewing candidates is "we like saying the n-word, is that a problem for you?". It sounded, as the lady was saying it, like something she was making up to me.

I'm glad to know that you think that the only racist place in the country is the "deep south" (which, BTW, Virginia is not). And that Missouri is the height of enlightened thinking (a few lawyer friends who live in and around STL would have a few good laughs at your expense).

There are plenty of things that she could've made up about the prosecutor's office. Why in the fuck would she choose such a weird anecdote? The easy answer is that she didn't make it up.

Werthless wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:But hey guys, it's just a few bad nights. It's not incompetent/hostile leadership trickling down into the ranks of law enforcement and prosecutors.

Seriously, jh? I get the point you're trying to make, but that comment makes you seem, well... let's be generous and call it naive. This is a flashpoint of a conflux of things that have been increasingly (rather than decreasingly) problematic around our country. Ingrained racism/racial stereotyping in law enforcement, the militarization of law enforcement, and the mistrust of law enforcement in the African-American community.

I think the intent of that particular comment was how this event is not only awful for the people of Ferguson, and not only bad for the rest of the US, but that it damages our credibility abroad and weakens our moral authority to intercede in humanitarian efforts. The comment was not minimizing the impact of this tragedy, but pointing out that it has an even greater impact than many people might have noted; it also negatively influences our foreign policy efforts.

I think you need to re-read that series of posts if you think jh was pointing out the "greater impact" that "negatively influences our foreign policy efforts." Here:

jerseyhoya wrote:In addition to it being indefensible, this will be held up by the "what about xyz" crowd who love critiquing every American action, domestic or abroad, as if the fact that the police in St. Louis County, Missouri having a crappy couple of nights mean we should ignore tens of thousands of people dying on a mountain somewhere because our moral standing is sufficiently poor that we don't have the ability to intervene to prevent them from dying of starvation/dehydration/beheading/crucifixion or whatever.

Then look at the later post where he quotes Twitter posts. He's complaining about the damn commie libs who love to hate on America and tout our problems as a reason that we shouldn't meddle in foreign affairs.

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. @GovJayNixon just confirmed that the State Police & Federal Authorities are going to relieve St. Louis County PD of their duties here.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Maddow had an attorney/columnist for the St Louis American on last night, and she talked about how she had little faith in the local prosecutor's investigation. She told an anecdote about how when she interviewed for a position in that office, they literally asked her "so, Liz, you'll hear the n-word get thrown around a decent amount here... will you be comfortable with that?"

Found video of the interview: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/little-faith-in-fairness-in-ferguson-317949507975

Was watching that live and had a tremendously tough time believing the story. Who the hell would ask that question?

You really haven't ever set foot outside of suburban Jersey, have you? I'm not trying to be glib, but come on.

It's St. Louis County, Missouri. It's a suburban county with a million people in it that has been run by a black county executive since 2003. It's not the deep south. It's a Democratic leaning county of inner ring suburbs of St. Louis. I don't really think one of their typical questions in the prosecutor's office when interviewing candidates is "we like saying the n-word, is that a problem for you?". It sounded, as the lady was saying it, like something she was making up to me.

I'm glad to know that you think that the only racist place in the country is the "deep south" (which, BTW, Virginia is not). And that Missouri is the height of enlightened thinking (a few lawyer friends who live in and around STL would have a few good laughs at your expense).

There are plenty of things that she could've made up about the prosecutor's office. Why in the fuck would she choose such a weird anecdote? The easy answer is that she didn't make it up.

In your other post you made sure to mention the part of Virginia where the openly racist folks were was a rural county. In general I would guess something like that is more acceptable in places that are rural rather than suburban, conservative rather than liberal, deep South rather than the Northeast, etc. I was highlighting broad demographic characteristics of the county that made it seem less likely to me that openly racist stuff like the frequent use of the n-word in the county prosecutors office would be a thing that happened. I was not saying the only racist place in America is the deep South. I've never been to St. Louis County, so maybe they've got a weird thing going on there where the electorate supports black Democrats but once elected they make sure the only other people who work in government are white racists who say the n-word at least once a day.

I don't know if her anecdote was true. I thought it sounded made up, like she was trying to really demonstrate just how fucked up and racist the place is. Other people can watch the clip and have their own opinions about it. I don't know.

no one has ever lied or stretched the truth on news television so i dont know where jerseyhoya is getting off

i'm probably overlooking something obvious but all this carrying on seems to be more about whether what this one MSNBC teevee guest suggested about race relations in St Loo area felt made up or not, rather than how things actually are there, which from what I anecdotally know of the region is plenty of racist

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:In addition to it being indefensible, this will be held up by the "what about xyz" crowd who love critiquing every American action, domestic or abroad, as if the fact that the police in St. Louis County, Missouri having a crappy couple of nights mean we should ignore tens of thousands of people dying on a mountain somewhere because our moral standing is sufficiently poor that we don't have the ability to intervene to prevent them from dying of starvation/dehydration/beheading/crucifixion or whatever.

Then look at the later post where he quotes Twitter posts. He's complaining about the damn commie libs who love to hate on America and tout our problems as a reason that we shouldn't meddle in foreign affairs.

American liberals and American conservatives and libertarians of a more isolationist bent to some extent. But also foreign leaders like Putin who will no doubt bring up Ferguson the next time the State Department complains about how he handles domestic opposition or we suggest intervention or condemnation of some regime that's slaughtering its citizens. He'd have opposed our action X regardless, but the events in Missouri would lend his criticism the veneer of reasonableness, which is a shame.

pacino wrote:the buildup occurred after 9/11 when the US was providing this stuff like candy for 'preparedness'. Remember the Boston bombing??? a backpack put everyone in fear and the weaponary came out

the aftermath of 9/11 resulted in federal funding directly to municipalities for homeland security purposes. the "military surplus" boondoggle didn't start until much later.