A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gold!

Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Fri Jun 13, 2014 01:05:58

The surge worked!!!



Guess Joe Biden was actually right in wanting to divide Iraq up
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jun 13, 2014 01:07:56

The surge did work

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Bucky » Fri Jun 13, 2014 01:08:27

wha happan

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Bucky » Fri Jun 13, 2014 01:15:40

oh, thought there was a new development

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Jun 13, 2014 02:05:06

pacino wrote:The surge worked!!!



Guess Joe Biden was actually right in wanting to divide Iraq up


Well, that wouldn't have had any success either. Iraq will divide itself up. It just won't be pretty.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jun 13, 2014 02:59:17



Hmm

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby TomatoPie » Fri Jun 13, 2014 08:43:13

PFFB wrote:http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/06/david-brat-the-elizabeth-warren-of-the-right.html

From what I’ve observed, Brat has not talked like a forty-seven-per-cent conservative complaining about how tax dollars are being shovelled to the undeserving poor (although maybe he does believe that and didn’t emphasize it in the campaign). He comes across, instead, like a ninety-nine-per-cent conservative who sees the real villain as corporate America and its addiction to government largesse. One of his biggest applause lines is about how bankers should have gone to jail after the 2008 financial crisis. Brat is the Elizabeth Warren of the right.


In his campaign against Cantor, Brat turned every issue into a morality tale about big business cheating ordinary Americans. He attacked Cantor for supporting the farm bill (“Do those billions of dollars go to the small American farmer? No, they go to huge agribusiness, right? Big business again.”), the flood-insurance bill (“Who does that go to? A lot of the money goes to gazillionaires on both coasts who have homes in nice real-estate locations.”), and the STOCK Act, an effort to stop insider trading by congressmen, which Cantor gutted by including an exception for spouses. In his Stephenson-inspired stump speech, Brat was more worked up about the STOCK Act than anything else. He promised, “If you tell your friends or neighbors about this issue, I will be your next congressman!”

Granted, at the core of Brat’s ideology is an unvarnished belief, one that does not maintain majority support in any recent national poll that I have encountered, that the government should return to its pre-New Deal roots. This is not surprising. He’s a libertarian. But his message, which today is being embraced by Tea Party candidates around the country, is also sharply different from the Romney-Ryan view of limited government celebrated by Republicans in 2012.

Instead of lecturing the most vulnerable about the moral beauty of the marketplace, Brat targets the most well off. “Free markets!” he declared in Hanover, like a teacher about to reveal the essence of the lesson. “In a nutshell, what does it mean?”


http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/12/dave- ... ren-of-the

It also suggests the political power of this populist critique, even on the right. In recent years, liberals have successfully channeled anger against the joining of businesses interests and political power, but Republican politicians have not been nearly as effective in their attempts to do so, despite the current of anti-elite sentiment that runs through the Tea Party. There are many reasons why the GOP hasn't been as successful (its reliance on corporate donors, its professional connections with corporate lobbying groups, the fact that many of its candidates are themselves part of the business class), but one reason why is that criticism of business, big or small, is simply not part of the identity the GOP has built for itself over the last several decades. That’s not the language it speaks; the GOP is the party that represents business, not the party that criticizes corporate power
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Jun 13, 2014 09:21:04

weird deal to make fun of a scandal that you may or may not have been a part of.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Jun 13, 2014 09:44:38

Brat also wants to repeal the income tax, eliminate all government investment in business, science, education, and technological research, etc. The guy is a flat out "drown government in the bathtub" wingnut. Just because he's so far to the right that he wraps around and shares common ground with the wingnut lefties who automatically assume that all big business is evil... that's not something for anyone who hopes for a functional government to be happy about.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby BigEd76 » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:21:20

Obama just held a press conference saying the US isn't getting involved in the Iraq mess (yet) and told them to fix their own shit first

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Jun 13, 2014 13:55:46

raul labrador is going to run for leader. i guess the powers that be want him to bc he is hispanic (i think).

immigration may be dead but look here is one of you!

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Bucky » Fri Jun 13, 2014 13:57:17

hispanic? i thought he was a retriever

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jun 13, 2014 14:03:39

CalvinBall wrote:raul labrador is going to run for leader. i guess the powers that be want him to bc he is hispanic (i think).

immigration may be dead but look here is one of you!

McCarthy (the guy who is going to win) is pro-comprehensive immigration reform. Labrador is running so McCarthy, who couldn't be more ESTABLISHMENT, isn't unopposed. Labrador usually votes with Amash and Gohmert and the rest of the people leadership hates. He's not running at the behest of the powers that be.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Bucky » Fri Jun 13, 2014 14:06:15

i heard that labrador is running just so mccarthy, the guy who will win, doesn't run unopposed. larbador is not really in good graces with leadership, so it wasn't really them who asked him to run

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jun 13, 2014 14:48:02

so he's kind of a Labrador deceiver, then
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jun 13, 2014 14:49:54

jerseyhoya wrote:The surge did work


but it did not "win the war" or turn lead into gold, or any of the other magical things John McCain was patting himself on the back about alllllllllll day today, the poor old lovable deranged bastard
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby slugsrbad » Fri Jun 13, 2014 15:13:13

Bucky wrote:i heard that labrador is running just so mccarthy, the guy who will win, doesn't run unopposed. larbador is not really in good graces with leadership, so it wasn't really them who asked him to run


Thank you for that thoughtful (and original) post. It really explained a lot!
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jun 13, 2014 22:22:00

IRS lost emails by official in tea party probe

WASHINGTON — The Internal Revenue Service said Friday it has lost a trove of emails to and from a central figure in the agency’s tea party controversy, sparking outrage from congressional investigators who have been probing the agency for more than a year.

The IRS told Congress Friday it cannot locate many of Lois Lerner’s emails prior to 2011 because her computer crashed during the summer of that year.

Lerner headed the IRS division that processed applications for tax-exempt status. The IRS acknowledged last year that agents had improperly scrutinized applications for tax-exempt status by tea party and other conservative groups.

“The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS’ response to congressional inquiries,” said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. “There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the inspector general.”

The Ways and Means Committee is one of three congressional committees investigating the IRS over its handling of tea party applications from 2010 to 2012. The Justice Department and the IRS inspector general are also investigating.

Congressional investigators have shown that IRS officials in Washington were closely involved in the handling of tea party applications, many of which languished for more than a year without action. But so far, they have not publicly produced evidence that anyone outside the agency directed the targeting or even knew about it. If anyone outside the agency was involved, investigators were hoping for clues in Lerner’s emails.

To be fair, the IRS would be very understanding if you were not in possession of key documents. Good thing this is a phony scandal, otherwise it would be really suspicious that all of these emails no longer exist.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Bucky » Fri Jun 13, 2014 22:23:06

agreed

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