Ryan Howard 5-Year Extension 5/$125MM + $10MM buyout THREAD

by **FTN** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 16:35:51

This is scary stuff.

The key to keeping Wertz is dumping Victorino, which I think they can do.

At least I hope so

by **Woody** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 16:36:47

Hey look, FTN

by **bleh** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 16:39:39

It's not that bad. In 2017 $25 million will be like $20 million in todays dollers.

For reals though, I never thought Ryan would be here for so long. I remember when he came up it seemed like he didn't want to play in Philly so I can't be upset over this really (and it's not my money).

by **jerseyhoya** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 16:40:22

bleh wrote:It's not that bad. In 2017 $25 million will be like $20 million in todays dollers

Or if you go by New Jersey state budgeting standards, about $17 mil.

by **Eem** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 16:40:40

FTN wrote:This is scary stuff.

The key to keeping Wertz is dumping Victorino, which I think they can do.

At least I hope so

I can't imagine trading Victorino would be difficult. Look at them RAWLINGS GOLD GLOVES.

by **thephan** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 16:53:17

Eeyore sez the team is giving all this coin to a dude with 3 home runs. Plz.

by **Rev_Beezer** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 16:59:12

I can't divorce myself from the fact that Howard's my favorite player. So I'm glad he's in a Phillies uniform for awhile.

I'm with what Mozart said awhile back.

by **The Savior** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:04:50

Keith Law is a douche, except when he says nice things about the Phillies

by **bleh** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:09:33

Neyer:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/ ... r-for-rbis

Maybe it's not fair to compare anybody to Albert Pujols, considering that he's the single best player in the sport. But Howard's going to be paid like one of the best player in the sport, and he's not. Not one of the very best. Last year, enjoying one of his two best seasons, Howard might have been one of the 30 best players in the majors. Maybe one of the 25 best. And maybe, just maybe, if you stretch the boundaries of analysis and tilt everything in his favor, he was one of the 20 best players in the major leagues.

That was 2009. What will we (and the Phillies) be trying to do in 2015? Make a case for him as one of the 40 best players in the majors? One of the 50 best?

Ryan Howard's new contract is a testament the enduring power of the Are-Bee-Eye. It's also a testament to old-school ignorance: ignorance of aging patterns, ignorance of position scarcity, ignorance of opportunity costs ... hey, take your pick. The Phillies have done a lot of things right over the last few years. But this is a big bowl of wrong.

by **td11** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:09:40

ek wrote:Keith Law

"This is one of the worst extension of its kind -- it's an overpay in both years and dollars. Howard is one of the last guys in the middle of the lineup I'd give that kind of money, too. He's 30, has a bad body, is not a good defender, and has struggled to make contact to versus lefties -- he's gone backwards in that area over the past couple of years. If you were locking him up through age 31, it's not so bad. How happy are if you're Albert Pujols? If Howard is worth $25 million, Pujols is worth $50 million a year."

keith law watches the games

by **Brantt** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:13:14

ek wrote:GMAN was saying that they are charging more for parking and they are selling club box licenses as well (or something to that effect)

He is correct.

They are selling or have sold naming rights to the suites and jacked up parking 25% this year.

by **The Savior** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:14:14

yes rob neyer, the phillies as an organization most certainly overlooked opportunity costs. clearly you're the only one that recognizes that such an economic term even exists.

by **Wheels Tupay** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:14:52

bleh wrote:Neyer:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/ ... r-for-rbis

Maybe it's not fair to compare anybody to Albert Pujols, considering that he's the single best player in the sport. But Howard's going to be paid like one of the best player in the sport, and he's not. Not one of the very best. Last year, enjoying one of his two best seasons, Howard might have been one of the 30 best players in the majors. Maybe one of the 25 best. And maybe, just maybe, if you stretch the boundaries of analysis and tilt everything in his favor, he was one of the 20 best players in the major leagues.

That was 2009. What will we (and the Phillies) be trying to do in 2015? Make a case for him as one of the 40 best players in the majors? One of the 50 best?

Ryan Howard's new contract is a testament the enduring power of the Are-Bee-Eye. It's also a testament to old-school ignorance: ignorance of aging patterns, ignorance of position scarcity, ignorance of opportunity costs ... hey, take your pick. The Phillies have done a lot of things right over the last few years. But this is a big bowl of wrong.

I am not a huge fan of the deal but in what planet is Howard not easily a top 20 player in the league?

by **WilliamC** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:15:18

I can't believe I used to like dickface Neyer.

by **Napalm** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:16:24

Wheels Tupay wrote:
bleh wrote:Neyer:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/ ... r-for-rbis

Maybe it's not fair to compare anybody to Albert Pujols, considering that he's the single best player in the sport. But Howard's going to be paid like one of the best player in the sport, and he's not. Not one of the very best. Last year, enjoying one of his two best seasons, Howard might have been one of the 30 best players in the majors. Maybe one of the 25 best. And maybe, just maybe, if you stretch the boundaries of analysis and tilt everything in his favor, he was one of the 20 best players in the major leagues.

That was 2009. What will we (and the Phillies) be trying to do in 2015? Make a case for him as one of the 40 best players in the majors? One of the 50 best?

Ryan Howard's new contract is a testament the enduring power of the Are-Bee-Eye. It's also a testament to old-school ignorance: ignorance of aging patterns, ignorance of position scarcity, ignorance of opportunity costs ... hey, take your pick. The Phillies have done a lot of things right over the last few years. But this is a big bowl of wrong.

I am not a huge fan of the deal but in what planet is Howard not easily a top 20 player in the league?

rob neyers world

by **drsmooth** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:18:16

ek wrote:Keith Law

...........[stuff I might agree with except for Keith Law having said it]................

Mr Speaker, I'd like the opportunity to consider rescinding my earlier comments and have them stricken from the record

by **smitty** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:31:38

He is talking about the entire big leagues. I don't think Howard ranks all that high. Is he in the top 30 right now in all of baseball? Well, he's not in the top two of his own team (Utley and the Doc). I'm not sure where he ranks. But there's an awful lot of really good players out there if you're counting pitchers.

If you're only going with position players, You can make a top 30 case maybe. Not sure about top 20.

by **Napalm** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:36:14

ridiculous power numbers
ridiculous contract

fits

by **Wheels Tupay** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:36:20

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... -thinking/

by **hoya** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 17:36:32

Howard was 28th in FanGraph values last year among position players, if you buy like those numbers.

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