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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Aug 09, 2013 15:44:53

Part of the problem is that there are no real quick fixes in baseball anymore. You can try to sign a big time impact free agent, but that will cost you down the road. And there aren't many of those guys. In a weird way, there's a sense that big payroll teams paying aging superstars to huge long deals has in fact contributed to a league where a team like the Pirates can go from crummy to best team in baseball in one year. Indeed, of the bottom 5 teams in terms of payroll this year, 3 are competitive! (Pirates, Oakland, and Tampa.) Baltimore is decent for the second year in a row with a payroll square in the middle.

Ladies and gentlemen we seem to have achieved something like parity in MLB, which sucks now that we root for a team that has piles of money to spend. WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAPPEN TO US?
Be Bold!

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Aug 09, 2013 17:01:38

Wheels Tupay wrote:Since when did we start believing a word that Rube said?

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Woody » Fri Aug 09, 2013 18:16:00

So we're going to get Ruf in right and Domonic in left a lot from here out I guess

That's pretty weird isn't it?

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Roger Dorn » Fri Aug 09, 2013 18:40:33

@ryanlawrence21: RAJ on DFA-ing two outfielders this week while Schierholtz raked with Cubs, Ruf played in minors: "We're not perfect."

Tell em Rube

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Trent Steele » Fri Aug 09, 2013 19:03:17

Roger Dorn wrote:@ryanlawrence21: RAJ on DFA-ing two outfielders this week while Schierholtz raked with Cubs, Ruf played in minors: "We're not perfect."

Tell em Rube


Um, yeah. No one could have seen that coming.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Trent Steele » Fri Aug 09, 2013 20:37:59

You know who else sucks? John Lannan.

Wonder what the combined WAR is for our offseason moves and how much we paid for it.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:05:14

Two Youngs, Revere, Adams, Lannan: ~0.7 net WAR for ~$15MM.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Ace Rothstein » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:26:37

Trent Steele wrote:You know who else sucks? John Lannan.

Wonder what the combined WAR is for our offseason moves and how much we paid for it.



cant be as bad as the starting IF with their salaries

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby bleh » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:42:33

JFLNYC wrote:Two Youngs, Revere, Adams, Lannan: ~0.7 net WAR for ~$15MM.


and Chad Durbin -.4

and if this counts, Yuniesky Betancourt: -1.5

edit: missed one
Ezequiel Carrera -.1

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:46:09

Forgot Durbz.

Howard, Utley & Rollins: 4.6 WAR for $46MM.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby The B1G Piece » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:46:54

check that decimal point.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Ace Rothstein » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:46:56

JFLNYC wrote:Forgot Durbz.

Howard, Utley & Rollins: 4.6 WAR for $46MM.



add mike young's and his 17.2 million and you got a bargain...good thing the rangers are paying 10 million of that

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:48:06

bleh wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Two Youngs, Revere, Adams, Lannan: ~0.7 net WAR for ~$15MM.


and Chad Durbin -.4

and if this counts, Yuniesky Betancourt: -1.5

edit: missed one
Ezequiel Carrera -.1


Overall, a lot of money for replacement level performance. Helluva off season.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:50:33

PS: Jonathan P. at 0.7 WAR.

Both of them.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:51:36

The B1G Piece wrote:check that decimal point.


?
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby The B1G Piece » Fri Aug 09, 2013 21:53:24

JFLNYC wrote:
The B1G Piece wrote:check that decimal point.


?

I was living in a fantasy-land where 4.6=$4.6M. :-(

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Roger Dorn » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:01:23

I don't pretend to know the first thing about evaluating talent, but the consensus on this board for all of these moves was pretty negative considering the commonly used most basic metrics for measuring a players output. If everyone here could see it, I really think Rube knew we wouldnt contend until our young guys start contributing in a few years. He can't come out and say we aren't going to be contenders, but deep down he knew we would suck for a few years.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Bucky » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:34:47

Apparently rube laid out his plan to utley during the negotiations and chase was impressed. So either there's a sound plan or Utley is an idiot too.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:06:54

hamels fell for it.

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