Brantt wrote:Salisbury says there was no interest in Young, Ruiz or Papelbon.

smitty wrote:Just read BP article by a guy from around here. He's some kind of smart guy. Anyway, he did this study using all sorts of terms and regression analysis chats and stuff I don't understand.

The study looked at GMs and their trading record. Amaro wasn't the greatest. He was second behind Dombrowski.

Basically, the Phillies got tons of WAR from Halladay, Oswalt and Pence and the guys we gave up for him haven't done much (yet, in several cases).

The bottom line is Amaro got a lot of value from guys he traded for and the guys he traded have yet to accumulate much in the way of value.

Squire wrote:Next time everyone says it makes sense to wait because "Player X" will be more valuable at the trade deadline, should remember today. I don't think that is the case anymore. If it ever was.

dajafi wrote:The case against Amaro has almost nothing to do with trades. It's resource allocation, contracts, and general approach. That he's obnoxious adds some flavor to the disdain, admittedly, and that they claim to be a scouting organization yet have had so many high profile evaluation failures suggests he's simply full of #$!&@.

dajafi wrote:

smitty wrote:Just read BP article by a guy from around here. He's some kind of smart guy. Anyway, he did this study using all sorts of terms and regression analysis chats and stuff I don't understand.

The study looked at GMs and their trading record. Amaro wasn't the greatest. He was second behind Dombrowski.

Basically, the Phillies got tons of WAR from Halladay, Oswalt and Pence and the guys we gave up for him haven't done much (yet, in several cases).

The bottom line is Amaro got a lot of value from guys he traded for and the guys he traded have yet to accumulate much in the way of value.

This doesn't surprise me. Generally, when you get the best player in the deal, you win the deal. Lee #1 and Doc were clear wins, even if D'Arnaud works out. Oswalt, we'll see, though even if Gose and Villar turn out to solid guys, I can't hate the deal because Oswalt was unhittable down the stretch that year. Even the Pence trade was defensible--though it was pretty clearly an overpay even at the time. Short of the unbelievable haul the Braves sent for Tex in 2007, I can't think of many quality plus quantity packages that compare. And he was a much better player than Pence.

The case against Amaro has almost nothing to do with trades. It's resource allocation, contracts, and general approach. That he's obnoxious adds some flavor to the disdain, admittedly, and that they claim to be a scouting organization yet have had so many high profile evaluation failures suggests he's simply full of #$!&@.

dajafi wrote:

smitty wrote:Just read BP article by a guy from around here. He's some kind of smart guy. Anyway, he did this study using all sorts of terms and regression analysis chats and stuff I don't understand.

The study looked at GMs and their trading record. Amaro wasn't the greatest. He was second behind Dombrowski.

Basically, the Phillies got tons of WAR from Halladay, Oswalt and Pence and the guys we gave up for him haven't done much (yet, in several cases).

The bottom line is Amaro got a lot of value from guys he traded for and the guys he traded have yet to accumulate much in the way of value.

This doesn't surprise me. Generally, when you get the best player in the deal, you win the deal. Lee #1 and Doc were clear wins, even if D'Arnaud works out. Oswalt, we'll see, though even if Gose and Villar turn out to solid guys, I can't hate the deal because Oswalt was unhittable down the stretch that year. Even the Pence trade was defensible--though it was pretty clearly an overpay even at the time. Short of the unbelievable haul the Braves sent for Tex in 2007, I can't think of many quality plus quantity packages that compare. And he was a much better player than Pence.

The case against Amaro has almost nothing to do with trades. It's resource allocation, contracts, and general approach. That he's obnoxious adds some flavor to the disdain, admittedly, and that they claim to be a scouting organization yet have had so many high profile evaluation failures suggests he's simply full of shit.

Trent Steele wrote:

dajafi wrote:

smitty wrote:Just read BP article by a guy from around here. He's some kind of smart guy. Anyway, he did this study using all sorts of terms and regression analysis chats and stuff I don't understand.

The study looked at GMs and their trading record. Amaro wasn't the greatest. He was second behind Dombrowski.

Basically, the Phillies got tons of WAR from Halladay, Oswalt and Pence and the guys we gave up for him haven't done much (yet, in several cases).

The bottom line is Amaro got a lot of value from guys he traded for and the guys he traded have yet to accumulate much in the way of value.

This doesn't surprise me. Generally, when you get the best player in the deal, you win the deal. Lee #1 and Doc were clear wins, even if D'Arnaud works out. Oswalt, we'll see, though even if Gose and Villar turn out to solid guys, I can't hate the deal because Oswalt was unhittable down the stretch that year. Even the Pence trade was defensible--though it was pretty clearly an overpay even at the time. Short of the unbelievable haul the Braves sent for Tex in 2007, I can't think of many quality plus quantity packages that compare. And he was a much better player than Pence.

The case against Amaro has almost nothing to do with trades. It's resource allocation, contracts, and general approach. That he's obnoxious adds some flavor to the disdain, admittedly, and that they claim to be a scouting organization yet have had so many high profile evaluation failures suggests he's simply full of shit.

Trying to figure out how we won all these trades, added a bazillion dollars in payroll, and dropped like 30 games in standings in last two years.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Heyman says Yankees offered to assume Young's money and give a prospect, Amaro said no.

Cashman then asked for Ruiz and was told he was unavailable.

Hmmm

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Heyman says Yankees offered to assume Young's money and give a prospect, Amaro said no.

Cashman then asked for Ruiz and was told he was unavailable.

Hmmm

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Heyman says Yankees offered to assume Young's money and give a prospect, Amaro said no.

Cashman then asked for Ruiz and was told he was unavailable.

Hmmm

He also said Ruiz has no home runs this year.

Trent Steele wrote:Someone explain please

The Dude wrote:the easier thing is it's heyman,who blows, and let's not let our biases determine which sources piss us off