Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

by **Bucky** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:35:01

of our big three infielders, i think chase is the biggest risk. (you can laugh now). Jimmy will rebound. If Howard is somewhat healthy, he can be productive since he doesn't rely on athleticism. But Utley rely relies on his knees, which are falling apart.

by **kimbatiste** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:36:27

What is the QO going to be for Halladay?

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:39:34

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Not really. Just Howard. As bad as Jimmy's been this season, SS is such an atrocious position right now that his three-year value will still likely exceed the cost of the contract. The vesting option might be a problem though. Who else? Chooch is likely going to be allowed to walk, the pitchers are all gone except for Cole and Kyle, and the rest of the position players are long gone. The current roster is terrible, but let's not exaggerate the problems.

Jimmy may earn out his contract according to FG's notoriously-inflated values, but that doesn't mean it's translating to wins. And, of course, nobody was offering him a 3-year deal (let alone an easily-optained 4th-year vesting option) when he was re-signed. Lee was taken care of. Papelbon was taken care of. Utley will be. We gave a mid-30's reliever coming off surgery to remove a rib a two-year deal. By my count that makes at least 6 multi-year contracts (Howard, Utley, Rollins, Lee, Papelbon and Adams) Rube will have handed out for players who will be on the roster next year. And that's not counting the Hamels contract, which was the only one for a player on the south side of 30.

by **bleh** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:53:57

What would you do with the money saved by not signing Utley? No one outside of phuturephillies.com thinks Cesar Hernandez is going to be any good. If they don't extend Utley they won't have a 2B. He is one of their best players and it appears he will be signing a reasonable deal.

by **Barry Jive** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:54:52

there aren't a whole lot of free agents younger than 30

by **td11** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:59:35

JFLNYC wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Not really. Just Howard. As bad as Jimmy's been this season, SS is such an atrocious position right now that his three-year value will still likely exceed the cost of the contract. The vesting option might be a problem though. Who else? Chooch is likely going to be allowed to walk, the pitchers are all gone except for Cole and Kyle, and the rest of the position players are long gone. The current roster is terrible, but let's not exaggerate the problems.

Jimmy may earn out his contract according to FG's notoriously-inflated values, but that doesn't mean it's translating to wins. And, of course, nobody was offering him a 3-year deal (let alone an easily-optained 4th-year vesting option) when he was re-signed.

Brewers made run at signing Rollins

Rollins wanted a four-year deal all along, and he told MLB.com over the weekend he was offered one by Milwaukee. While he didn't mention the Brewers by name at Monday's news conference, he did make several references to "the blue and gold."

"I had a four-year deal on the table, but it wasn't necessarily with a team that I could have seen myself playing for," Rollins said.

by **WheelsFellOff** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:02:10

Don't bring facts into this.

by **BigEd76** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:03:32

JimBowdenESPNxm
Cliff Lee is not getting traded today according to #source

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:05:35

Doug Melvin said he did not make a formal offer to Jimmy Rollins, he was set to have a meeting with Dan Lozano the representative of Rollins but they cancelled it. But at the time of the Winter Meetings, Lozano was pretty busy with Albert Pujols so the Brewers decided it was better off to move on. They were talking with Alex Gonzalez at the same time, they ended up signing him before they left Dallas.

by **BigEd76** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:06:45

WheelsFellOff wrote:
Roger Dorn wrote:@cody_smasche: I offer a very sincere Thank You to all who have taken time to congratulate me today! It really does not go un noticed! Go Phil's !

@TysonGillies21: @cody_smasche nobody did sit down

Oh Gillies...

TysonGillies21
Sex and the city has been playing in the clubhouse all morning...starting to question some of you boys.. @CameronRupp has the remote today..

by **snakster** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:06:45

The moon is not exploding today according to #source

by **td11** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:09:53

JFLNYC wrote:
Doug Melvin said he did not make a formal offer to Jimmy Rollins, he was set to have a meeting with Dan Lozano the representative of Rollins but they cancelled it. But at the time of the Winter Meetings, Lozano was pretty busy with Albert Pujols so the Brewers decided it was better off to move on. They were talking with Alex Gonzalez at the same time, they ended up signing him before they left Dallas.

whatever, man

by **Barry Jive** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:10:40

well somebody's lying so it must be Rollins

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:16:30

I'm not sure what the point is here. Is it that the Phils had no choice but to re-sign Rollins and give out all the other deals. Or is it just to attempt to prove I may have been wrong? What difference does it make if Rollins had an offer from the Brewers?

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:17:11

JFLNYC wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Not really. Just Howard. As bad as Jimmy's been this season, SS is such an atrocious position right now that his three-year value will still likely exceed the cost of the contract. The vesting option might be a problem though. Who else? Chooch is likely going to be allowed to walk, the pitchers are all gone except for Cole and Kyle, and the rest of the position players are long gone. The current roster is terrible, but let's not exaggerate the problems.

Jimmy may earn out his contract according to FG's notoriously-inflated values, but that doesn't mean it's translating to wins. And, of course, nobody was offering him a 3-year deal (let alone an easily-optained 4th-year vesting option) when he was re-signed. Lee was taken care of. Papelbon was taken care of. Utley will be. We gave a mid-30's reliever coming off surgery to remove a rib a two-year deal. By my count that makes at least 6 multi-year contracts (Howard, Utley, Rollins, Lee, Papelbon and Adams) Rube will have handed out for players who will be on the roster next year. And that's not counting the Hamels contract, which was the only one for a player on the south side of 30.

I guess you're just having fun arguing with yourself.

I was talking about getting emotionally irrational for one of the core players from the greatest run in franchise history, and you appeared to suggest that's already happened repeatedly. I responded by pointing out that the only truly overpaid player from that aging core is Howard. You responded by citing Papelbon (whose contract I just spent two pages trashing), Lee (who I've repeatedly said should probably never have been resigned, even if I enjoyed the hell out of it), and Adams (whose two-year contract isn't exactly a huge gamble or a huge burden). Good on ya.

As for Fangraphs overvaluing Rollins, B-R has him as a 3-win player each of the past two seasons, and that's with putting him at replacement level defense. If he doesn't earn his contract, it'll be close. I'm not terribly concerned about that.

by **usctrojans31** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:19:49

The contracts of Howard, Papelbon, and Ibanez are all worse than Rollins' contract. I just wish that the club didn't hand out NTCs like candy...

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:22:19

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I guess you're just having fun arguing with yourself.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:26:45

JFLNYC wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I guess you're just having fun arguing with yourself.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Huh? I made a statement about my feelings on signing Utley, and you jumped in with a snarky comment. I wasn't arguing with anyone. Seriously, take a step back and re-read that sequence.

Jesus, this board is damn near unreadable today.

by **LongDrive** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:27:24

According to Ken, MY willing to accept trade to Boston now

by **kimbatiste** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:30:26

OMG, we're getting Peavy

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